That picture of the Southport killer

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That has been circulating today.

Remember that sweet boy that was in all the reports at the time? The one who looked about nine?

Can anyone think of any other serious criminal who has pictures of them as a child out in the press?

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People do not want to talk about something like this but it really is a problem that I have personal experience of.

Huh? He’s pleaded guilty. If it had gone to trial I think we can safely assume he would have been found guilty. What kind of ‘abuse’ or criticism you think would have been meted out to someone fat or red headed do you think he has avoided?

I am suggesting that there are certain ways the brain works that can increase your chances of carrying out tragic events such as this.

I am sure a psychologist would be able to give much more insight on this rather than a few posts on social media.

Autism increases the chance. Hugely - about 30 per cent of violent criminals are autistic.

@LivelySwan

"It would look like someone producing ricin, downloading Al Quaeda material and murdering small children"

The difference is if did the above because he likes violence then he's not a terrorist whereas if he said "praise ISIS" or whatever whilst doing it then he is a terrorist.

No-one dare criticise him?

I definitely do. He's a murderer of three children. I'm quite critical of that.

Can you quote your sources on that? Interested to know not being snarky.

I am sure a psychologist with expert knowledge of the human mind and criminal activities, especially murder, would be able to offer more insight than a post on social media.

It seems that there is no CAMHS in Southport and that the services tasked with providing a CAMHS service were 'in disarray'

Didn't he look at IRA stuff too, so why does that make him a muslim? Terrorist maybe, but you don't have to be a muslim to be a terrorist. And if you like violence that doesn't automatically make you a terrorist either.

The vast majority of people in prison have a number of comorbid conditions including MH issues, ND, LD etc

Its more likely than not that someone who commits a crime like this has some sort of disorder which leads them to develop such obsessions and the focus to carry it out. He is very like PD with or without other issues.

The trial wasn't scheduled for today. Today was a pre-trial review where they sort out timings witnesses etc and get everything ready. The defendant unexpectedly changed his plea to guilty so there now won't be a trial.

@Supersimkin7 can you link to that? Google seems to be undecided.

Yes they will criticise him but I meant that they would not insult him in a way if he was an easier target was my point and that is unequivocally true but that's the British mentality. Rest in peace to all the victims disgusting crime it's just that British is so inconsistent

Exactly a picture doesn't downplay three children being murdered.
That's an event that cannot be swept under the carpet for very obvious reasons.

@LivelySwan I'm not defending anything just stating the facts. Perhaps as another pp says the definition of terrorism should change.

Many children get referred to CAMHS, waiting lists can be very long, running into years. Some will become adults before they get to the end of the waiting list. Some will have caused harm or harmed themselves whilst sitting on the waiting list.

Why is Starmer being blamed for not knowing about him in advance of the crime?

Because blaming Keir Starmer personally for every crime committed in the UK since 1992 gets outrage and clicks. Duh.

Also, it's common that the facts of a case aren't reported until after a court case to ensure that juries aren't influenced by anything outside of what is said in court.

Well, quite. One of the most bonkers things about the Tommy Robinson mythology is that he nearly caused a mistrial of a group of the very people he was pretending to be worried about, by shouting the odds outside a courtroom about a "cover-up" without realising that another trial elsewhere in the country was subjected to reporting restrictions precisely to avoid such influence. But of course if your position is that all Muslims are immediately guilty of anything and don't deserve a trial according to the rules, it all makes perfect sense.

What has that got to do with this killer? He didn’t live in Southport, he lived in Lancashire.

He was charged with possessing information likely to be useful to a terrorist.

However - he was also born to a Christian family.
He was obsessed by massacres and genocides.
He was obsessed with violence.
He had become withdrawn at school,
He watched graphic videos of murders
He had taken a knife to school and had threatened pupils and teachers.

Does that give you any pause for thought about him being an Islamic terrorist?

The problem we have is seeing MH as one big lumped together issue. It's not. People have emotional issues that come under this umbrella or learning difficulties or neuro challenges or whatever. All of whom are significantly different to someone with psychotic tendencies who poses a risk. We need to start separating these issues out and knowing who is a risk if we are to prevent these.

Don’t have an opinion on the photo thing really but if the piece of shit had been cautioned for taking a knife to school and then locked up when he took a hockey stick in and began battering students then he wouldn’t have been able to kill those three little girls. Though obviously in reality he would have got little punishment for either of those things and his teachers would have been told that ‘all behaviour is communication and they had probably looked at him funny or disrespected him’

Terrorist maybe, but you don't have to be a muslim to be a terrorist.

Of course not but currently most terror attacks are motivated by Islam.

"Islamist terrorism is the most significant terrorist threat to the UK by volume."