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That picture of the Southport killer

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User09678 · 20/01/2025 17:11

That has been circulating today.

Remember that sweet boy that was in all the reports at the time? The one who looked about nine?

Can anyone think of any other serious criminal who has pictures of them as a child out in the press?

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LivelySwan · 20/01/2025 19:08

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swimsong · 20/01/2025 19:08

Trikey · 20/01/2025 17:29

I'm more concerned with who decided to have that trial today to hide it against the inauguration of Trump,
And what the Prime Minister and Home Secretary knew about this evil person, when they knew it and what they decided to tell the public.

What a coincidence, Kemi Badenoch has been saying your second point almost word for word. (Hello Conservative Party HQ!). Pretty sure she's not daft enought to express your first point though.

Coldanddamp · 20/01/2025 19:09

@soupfiend would ankle tags, curfews be acceptable? The terror attack in Streatham was stopped so quickly as the police were watching him. Realistically we don't have the resources for that.

oakleaffy · 20/01/2025 19:09

WeCantGoOverIt · 20/01/2025 19:03

Makes you wonder why we have prisons at alll…

Prisons are rammed with people with severe mental health issues.

cakeorwine · 20/01/2025 19:09

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What would being an Islamic Extremist look like?

Is there any evidence you have read that contradicts your opinion?

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 20/01/2025 19:09

Trikey · 20/01/2025 17:29

I'm more concerned with who decided to have that trial today to hide it against the inauguration of Trump,
And what the Prime Minister and Home Secretary knew about this evil person, when they knew it and what they decided to tell the public.

There was also a trial of a labour councillor today. Coincidence?

BRL2 · 20/01/2025 19:09

Coldanddamp · 20/01/2025 19:03

Mass murdering children is hardly the action of someone with a sane mind is it. By the very nature of some crimes it's obvious there must be MH issues of some sort.

You can use that argument for most murderers though as it isn't normal.

This isn’t true. Sadly a huge number of murders are carried out by people who are perfectly sane for the most mundane reasons. That doesn’t mean they are not tragic.

EasternStandard · 20/01/2025 19:09

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 20/01/2025 19:08

It is confirmed on the bbc that the court was informed back in August that he has an autistic spectrum disorder diagnosis. There are other signs that he was mentally unwell, refusing to leave the house, refusing to communicate with his family. I suspect there will be a lot of blame placed on camhs when the inquiry is finished.

Being autistic doesn't qualify for 'not sound mind' as defence nor does it mean someone is more likely to commit a horrendous crime

Whippetlovely · 20/01/2025 19:09

What was he planning on doing with ricin? Are people glossing over this fact? Doesn't have a motive? or not admitting his motive for the murders. He planned to kill those girls of course there was a motive it wasn't random.

PeppyGreenFinch · 20/01/2025 19:10

SulkySeagull · 20/01/2025 19:07

@HollyBerryz to pussy foot around the fact he was an Islamic extremist. Rather than admit that non-white people can awful commit racial violence, it’s gentler to say he had mental health issues which takes away some responsibility for the crime

He was Christian, his parents were evangelical Christians.

He also had IRA material.

HollyBerryz · 20/01/2025 19:10

Coldanddamp · 20/01/2025 19:03

Mass murdering children is hardly the action of someone with a sane mind is it. By the very nature of some crimes it's obvious there must be MH issues of some sort.

You can use that argument for most murderers though as it isn't normal.

Yes and I would. I don't know why it offends people so to acknowledge that? Are you assuming people who point this out are using it as an 'excuse'? Because I haven't seen anyone do that. Refusing to acknowledge that people who commit such crimes are clearly mental unwell doesn't do anyone any favours.

LivelySwan · 20/01/2025 19:10

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I think posters are rightly so pointing out that there's so much more to this than that. To base every action and resultant handling of him on this alone misses out so much more important context. I see this and agree with this.

By focusing only upon ' Islamic extremism' you then ignore so many other important elements and questions we must ask about this case.

WeCantGoOverIt · 20/01/2025 19:10

cakeorwine · 20/01/2025 19:07

The people who murdered Brianna Ghey had MH issues.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-68184224

What about those who stabbed to death the other 16 year old lad murdered that day? Can you even name him?

BRL2 · 20/01/2025 19:10

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 20/01/2025 19:09

There was also a trial of a labour councillor today. Coincidence?

If you think that Liverpool Crown Court organise their lists on this basis you are utterly ridiculous.

OolongTeaDrinker · 20/01/2025 19:11

JHound · 20/01/2025 17:34

What do you think they would possibly know about a 17 year old teen who was by all accounts a loner?

Because he was referred to the Prevent program THREE separate times.

samarrange · 20/01/2025 19:12

Whippetlovely · 20/01/2025 18:25

People on this thread that don't think this was terror related are blind. They found terrorist documents in his house alongside ricin. He was referred to prevent. I couldn't give a shit if he was white black or brown call a spade a spade and stop with the bullshit apologists. Hopefully the full truth will finally be revealed during the trial because it's been handled terribly so far and it's incredibly insulting to those little girls and their parents.

Terrorism is a word with a specific meaning. Like most -isms, it means a political/social agenda or belief system. Other examples are socialism, conservatism, Islamism (the belief that a society should be run on Islamic lines), etc.

Terrorism does not mean "terrifying violence". Some people might use it that way, but that doesn't make it so. For a crime to be terrorism, there has to be political or ideological intent behind it. Owning chemicals or literature that are also used by terrorist organisations doesn't make you a terrorist, any more than a drug dealer who owns a submachine gun is anything more than a violent drug dealer.

Rudakubana was referred to Prevent, which is an explicitly anti-terrorism programme, with connections to the intelligence services. It's right there on the government website: "The aim of Prevent is to stop people from becoming terrorists or supporting terrorism." If they didn't take action it will be because there was no evidence that he was a potential terrorist, because he was not pursuing any agenda. He was just a violent individual. We could widen the remit of Prevent to include "anyone who might commit extreme violence one day", but that would make their job 100 times bigger, because there are very few markers for that.

We might like him to have had an agenda because that would have perhaps helped us make sense of it. It is frustrating to read that something so horrible "doesn't count" as terrorism, because either way three little girls are dead. But those are the political choices we make as a society. We could decide to apply the provisions of anti-terrorism laws to every murder, or every assault, or every robbery, and we would momentarily feel like we were "doing something about criminals", but we might not like the consequences for the way we live.

Prevent duty guidance: England and Wales (2023)

Prevent duty guidance for specified authorities in England and Wales.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/prevent-duty-guidance

NetZeroZealot · 20/01/2025 19:12

Chuchoter · 20/01/2025 19:07

The press manipulated the public with the initial photos showing him as a child in order to down play the atrocity.

Don’t be so lazy. Read thread and you will understand why this was not the case.

Coldanddamp · 20/01/2025 19:12

I'm horrified he won't get a whole life sentence because he's under the age of 21

yes

WeCantGoOverIt · 20/01/2025 19:12

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Exactly. The number of posters on here trying to equate autism with being a murderer…

BlueSilverCats · 20/01/2025 19:12

Whippetlovely · 20/01/2025 19:09

What was he planning on doing with ricin? Are people glossing over this fact? Doesn't have a motive? or not admitting his motive for the murders. He planned to kill those girls of course there was a motive it wasn't random.

It's whether his motive was terrorism related which makes the difference.

In the name of Allah, to punish the infidels, to promote/support ISIS etc. would make it an islamic terror attack.

Anything else wouldn't.

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Winter2020 · 20/01/2025 19:13

BlueSilverCats · 20/01/2025 18:56

The truth is this was not a terrorism attack. I could have those same things in my house for stupid/innocent reasons, never commit a violent crime and I'd still be charged with a terror offence. That doesn't mean I am a terrorist.

If I did commit a violent crime, then they would look at intent and motivation. Which could or could not be terrorism related.

Why do you think he took a taxi to a Taylor Swift themed dance class then? He liked the music?

HollyBerryz · 20/01/2025 19:13

SulkySeagull · 20/01/2025 19:07

@HollyBerryz to pussy foot around the fact he was an Islamic extremist. Rather than admit that non-white people can awful commit racial violence, it’s gentler to say he had mental health issues which takes away some responsibility for the crime

No one's trying to take away responsibility for his crime.

Porgs2 · 20/01/2025 19:13

BallerinaRadio · 20/01/2025 17:52

You don't really though do you?

You're either a troll or not thinking straight and have been watching too many tiktoks

I’m sure she likes to shock. Last night it was 39 degrees isn’t a high temperature and her child has had a temp of 45 degrees, twice! 👀

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