Is it really that wrong to want for your country what Trump stands for?

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I know that there are plenty of threads on Trump at the moment, but most of them are designed to rubbish the guy. That’s been done to death in the last 10 years.

He has still won two presidential elections so perhaps it’s time to move the discussion on a bit.Let’s put aside Trump’s personality, bluster, and whether he will deliver or not, for a second.

Is it really so wrong and bad to want to go for what his core message is? Why is the far right label used so liberally and will we ever see a government in this country which can tackle this madness -

A stop to or huge reduction in illegal immigration

Putting your own country first ahead of internationalism. It’s not a novel idea and certainly not a byword for automatically wanting war. In fact Trump’s argument is that war is bad

Saying no the climate hysteria. Climate change is real but climate emergency seems to be a made up concept to simply tax people to death to re distribute taxes to government lobbyists. Why should people accept being poorer in the name of this dangerous ideology

Putting a stop to woke madness. When did it become ok for state sponsored mutilation of children? Men pretending to be women in prison and hospitals getting access to women’s spaces. People being sanctioned do not using the correct pronouns

Driving the economy forward and putting a stop to endless freebies for those who have no intention of contributing to the system and refuse to work because they are sad.

The fact that someone as eccentric as Trump has to fly the flag for common sense ideas shows you just how batshit the political discourse has become.

Agree but unfortunately Labour are doing their best to ensure reform's vote share rises.

I was just about to type the same thing. Brexit was a reaction to economic decline.

There was a really interesting article in the FT the other day about U.K. growth and how the current government will never achieve it because they don’t want it enough. America prioritises growth above all else and the U.K. tries to keep everyone happy and caters to every special interest group and therefore achieves nothing. An interesting point I thought.

I agree - but my point is that Trump is NOT isolationist, he is aggressive and wants to go after resources that the US needs regardless of whether it belongs to them or not...

Agree. It's so annoying that the left have failed so badly on this issue that they practically handed Trump the presidency.

Do women on Mumsnet think the agenda of an alleged rapist, who wants to prevent women from accessing healthcare including safe abortions, and who blows smoke up the bums of white supremacists should be emulated in our own country?

They may well support this mean spirited nonsense but it is incredibly poor short term thinking if they do.

The Conservatives and Farage have been trying to jump on this bandwagon for a long time now but, as narrow minded policies generally result in poverty and decline for ordinary working people like we have seen over the past ten years of coalition and Tory government, people eventually grow tired of meaningless populism and vote in the other side!

It’s really picked up under Labour hasn’t it? Nothing but sunny days ahead!

Until his narcissism and megalomania caused Germany to be destroyed by bombs because he wanted to control the world resources. He was such a coward than, instead of facing what he did to his country, committed suicide, leaving his people to face the consequences.

He is absolutely fucking bonkers and worse, very dangerous. You really don't have to dig that deep to find insane things he's said or done.

Yet we haven't had a liberal government for many years... so how do you feel the liberals have ruined the country?

And the Tories aren't?

They shut the door by leaving the EU for about 200,000 people a year from Europe coming and going and opened the door to legal net migration of 800,000 mostly from Asia who stay and then bring their families, in 2021. And you blame the party who has been in power barely six months?

I was never bothered about immigration or what colour people are or where they come from but the population increasing by more than 1% a year and from countries which have a vastly different culture to ours, not similar to us like other Europeans, must surely have an effect.

Am I wrong in believing that people in government/governing should have a good moral compass? This seems to be the last thing on Trumps list. Anyone that can say this, in all honesty, shouldn’t be allowed to run anything. Let alone a country

I really hope one day you will experience being "sad" talk about an understatement for suicidal and unable to function.

You could also argue that not catering to the individual interests/needs of rust belt communities in the US is what created the vacuum for Trump in the first place though.

It actually is picking up.

The Tories weren't in power during the financial crash. Labour lost the next GE because of the state of the economy and Iraq.

So how wide should these "Fire breaks" be? the fires in California were fanned by 80mph winds, carry embers 100s if not 1000s of meters.

An impossible situation for fire fighters regardless of training.

Trump simplicity

Yeah... Where was Kenneth Starr when we needed him eh? Like a dog with a bone when it was a Dem who was the sleaze bag on duty...

How? They've extradited more illegal immigrants in the last 6months than the last government did in years, are trying to re-invest in public services, and are also softening the trade deals with EU so we can actually make money with our closest trading partners again...

Reform would = UK being a sad little poor island with no investment or growth.

He's a fascist.
He is on record saying that he admires Hitler's Nazi generals.
Is that not enough for you?

Reform would sell us off to the US, Emirates and whoever else would have the last bits of wealth to pick off our bones... Great 'sovereignty' innit?

A convicted felon should have no place in the White House. If he is the best that the republicans can put forward, then the USA is in deep trouble.

I would agree with that - but the state of the economy was largely due to bankers and the financial crash. The Tories voted against any increase in bank regulation while they were in opposition - had they been in office we may have gone into a deep depression and financial meltdown like Argentina as the banks would have been even less regulated.

Then when they got into power they fucked us over with austerity and Brexit, then later corruption and total incompetence.

But he himself has said he is leaving this up to the individual states. There will always be nutters going around chanting things - doesn't mean anything really. On the other side you get the deranged TRAs chanting their slogans demanding that children be allowed to mutilate their bodies; and overtly sexual content should be used to indoctrinate the kids into queer theory in schools. There are idiots on both sides, but no need to spread disinformation about women's rights being taken away with no evidence.

I dunno, I lived in The USA during the first Trump presidency and all of those things were still rife. İn fact, it's where I was suddenly aware of the transgender stuff, as it hasn't really been a thing beforehand. I had my first experience of being harassed by a transgender man presenting as a woman in a women only space, and nothing was done about it, due to not wanting to cause him offense.
I also was an illegal immigrant for a while, due to an abusive relationship out there, and not being able to leave when my visa ran out. People were going nuts over all the things Trump would do to get the illegal immigrants out and literally nothing happened. I got free healthcare, benefits and a place to live and eat for free. İt was an area rife with illegal immigrants and nothing really happened. Police would know you were illegal, due to one thing or another, and didn't care.

I think it's all talk, to get a certain type of voter to vote for him. Just like all politics here really.