Is it really that wrong to want for your country what Trump stands for?

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I know that there are plenty of threads on Trump at the moment, but most of them are designed to rubbish the guy. That’s been done to death in the last 10 years.

He has still won two presidential elections so perhaps it’s time to move the discussion on a bit.Let’s put aside Trump’s personality, bluster, and whether he will deliver or not, for a second.

Is it really so wrong and bad to want to go for what his core message is? Why is the far right label used so liberally and will we ever see a government in this country which can tackle this madness -

A stop to or huge reduction in illegal immigration

Putting your own country first ahead of internationalism. It’s not a novel idea and certainly not a byword for automatically wanting war. In fact Trump’s argument is that war is bad

Saying no the climate hysteria. Climate change is real but climate emergency seems to be a made up concept to simply tax people to death to re distribute taxes to government lobbyists. Why should people accept being poorer in the name of this dangerous ideology

Putting a stop to woke madness. When did it become ok for state sponsored mutilation of children? Men pretending to be women in prison and hospitals getting access to women’s spaces. People being sanctioned do not using the correct pronouns

Driving the economy forward and putting a stop to endless freebies for those who have no intention of contributing to the system and refuse to work because they are sad.

The fact that someone as eccentric as Trump has to fly the flag for common sense ideas shows you just how batshit the political discourse has become.

A stop to or huge reduction in illegal immigration - it all depends whether this is done thoughtfully and humanely and avoiding whipping up racial hatred with unfounded stereotyping.

Putting your own country first ahead of internationalism. - this man is trying to buy Greenland!!! He's happy to go international when it suits him.

In fact Trump’s argument is that war is bad - clearly a man of deep profundity.

Saying no the climate hysteria. Climate change is real but climate emergency seems to be a made up concept - examine the science. Trump is saying what his funders want to hear, not what is best for the planet nor what tallies with the science - which is not his strongest subject - we would all have been swallowing disinfectant during the pandemic if he had had his way.

Putting a stop to woke madness. - this has become a cliche and the term woke an undefined insult.

Driving the economy forward and putting a stop to endless freebies for those who have no intention of contributing to the system and refuse to work because they are sad. - examine the statistics for benefits fraud in the UK. The vast majority of people receiving "freebies" do so entirely legitimately. I assume that you are using the word "sad" to mean those suffering from depression in a flippant way. There is no polite response to that really.

Trump is not "eccentric" - he is delusional.

But he himself has said he is leaving this up to the individual states.
You cannot possibly be so naive!!
Yes, sure, he said that, but the agenda is absolutely a federal ban on abortion. That's the pact he made with the evangelical right.

How?
Pledging to ‘smash the gangs’ means when numbers rise so does support for Reform, pretty much. Plus other factors

The media are whipping up hysteria for Reform, not the government. Read facts not headlines.

The blob FFS honestly it's people like this that make me question whether everyone should be allowed to vote

I’m not sure this is true. There is a huge difference between what you say/do in opposition vs being in office.

Look at what the Conservatives did during Covid, bailing out the country the way they did isn’t a traditionally Tory policy. I’m sure if they were in opposition and Labour had done exactly the same they’d have voted against it too.

And now look at Labour saying before the election “working people” wouldn’t suffer under their economic policy then hammering business with tax which will force prices up and wages down.

Also unless Labour increase taxes further (they need another £9 billion just to fund current spending plans) we’ll end up with austerity under them too, although they’ll try their best not to call it that.

The traditional economic left and right no longer applies in U.K. politics.

Reform is polling higher, now at same level to Labour. That is the case, a fact as you’ve asked for.

That is linked to failed pledges. If a central pledge continues to fail and get worse we’ll likely see support go up.

It’s pretty simple link that’s easy to track.

Putin and Russia have spent years playing 5D chess with US and UK politicians who just about manage a game of snap.
Trump is just the highest profile example

They voted against bank regulation. They have always been anti regulation and state intervention. Yes they were forced to intervene in Covid but by god it stuck in their craw.

@hattie43 unfunctioning and unproductive.. sounds very much like the terminology directed at disabled and mentally ill people in Nazi Germany. Aktion T4 anyone ?

Failed pledges in 7 months ? 😂 let’s bet you’ve not got a clue what they’re doing…

But this is the frustrating thing. I know Reform are polling high, but anyone I have spoken to who supports reform, when asked why Labour are so bad can't actually quote facts. They mumble about immigration and "business sense" and then back down when presented with actual facts about what the government are doing as opposed to what the Daily Fail/Sky News/GB News has reported incorrectly.

The amount of hatred towards KS which no-one who is vocal about it has been able to substantiate when interrogated is ridiculous, and is very similar to the blind flag waving towards Trump with no regard to facts or actual policies/action. It's all done on "feel" and thoughts based on not a lot...

This is the worrying and ridiculousness of modern day politics reflected in the UK and USA.

@Moonlightstars nailed it. He doesn’t stand for anything except himself. And let’s not forget that he is a convicted criminal who has avoided jail only through his political activities. He, and his appalling cronies have made self interest into an elite sport.

I know this is a thread about Trump but the mocking posters are more stupid than the people they're denigrating. It's how Brexit happened and if that idiot Farage gets in you can give yourselves a round of applause too.

Those people that you're laughing at, they have the same votes (in the UK) that you do.

It doesn’t matter if you cry laugh your head off with all the emojis

Reform are polling at the same rate and that will be a reaction to Labour’s policies. If they continue to fail on a pledge that matters to those voters it grows Reform’s support.

@EasternStandard so it’s a good thing that people have a ridiculously short attention span and forget how shite the Tories were ?
And it’s good that people think a party identical to the outgoing one but even more bonkers with a few populist but unworkable ideas are a sensible option ?
Bring it on if you want Reform, let’s see how the markets respond and the OAPs moan when triple lock is dumped, UC cut.
And do you read what the government has already done btw ? The daily mail etc wouldn’t tell you.

Actually the term “Orange Hitler” is just immature, childish name calling. Suppose that is what happens when are unable to have an intelligent debate.
Anyway, this was a democratic election and the result is what the majority of Americans want.

I think it's a bit of frustration and disbelief that people will blindly believe whatever makes the most noise without interrogating or critically thinking about what it actually means. There is a lot of unrealised privilege and "as long as i'm ok" thinking rather than helicopter views on what affects the whole country and therefore the environment you live in and are affected by.

Brexit was a prime example. Brexiteers shouted loudest, so people believed them without looking at the wider picture, just at idealistic "wouldn't it be great" views based on very little knowledge of the way trade/funding/policies work.

Exactly, too many people have had their political opinions shaped by what they see on X and Tik Tok. I feel like people are voting with emotions rather than thinking critically. Many of those complaining about Labour have very little idea of what they're actually doing. They might actually like some of it if they bothered to look into it properly.

I’m commenting on the link between Labour’s policies and the increase in Reform support. Their policies are removed from what voters want, clearly, otherwise you wouldn’t see the uptick.

No part of my post talks about my vote. It’s a general comment on what is obviously occurring. If Labour continue to fail on a major pledge support will go up.

Whether Labour can see that or do anything about it I guess is up to them.

But they haven't failed on anything. That's the exact point. People believe they have because they listen to the rubbish spouted by the biased media/X/mates down at the pub.

I agree. It's "man down the pub" politics. Glib, "easy" and frequently bigoted and stupid answers.

If the answers to global inequality, war, migration, economic stagnation and where people should live were easy we'd have found them already.

He's a rapist .. that's what he stands for .. enough said really.

And which bot factory are you working in? A convicted felon, a denier of women's rights, a shamelessly greedy and manipulative shyster. If you cant manage a move to the USA, maybe marie le pen's france would be more to your taste?

All good stuff in my opinion, but will self serving Trump actually deliver any of it?