Is it really that wrong to want for your country what Trump stands for?

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I know that there are plenty of threads on Trump at the moment, but most of them are designed to rubbish the guy. That’s been done to death in the last 10 years.

He has still won two presidential elections so perhaps it’s time to move the discussion on a bit.Let’s put aside Trump’s personality, bluster, and whether he will deliver or not, for a second.

Is it really so wrong and bad to want to go for what his core message is? Why is the far right label used so liberally and will we ever see a government in this country which can tackle this madness -

A stop to or huge reduction in illegal immigration

Putting your own country first ahead of internationalism. It’s not a novel idea and certainly not a byword for automatically wanting war. In fact Trump’s argument is that war is bad

Saying no the climate hysteria. Climate change is real but climate emergency seems to be a made up concept to simply tax people to death to re distribute taxes to government lobbyists. Why should people accept being poorer in the name of this dangerous ideology

Putting a stop to woke madness. When did it become ok for state sponsored mutilation of children? Men pretending to be women in prison and hospitals getting access to women’s spaces. People being sanctioned do not using the correct pronouns

Driving the economy forward and putting a stop to endless freebies for those who have no intention of contributing to the system and refuse to work because they are sad.

The fact that someone as eccentric as Trump has to fly the flag for common sense ideas shows you just how batshit the political discourse has become.

@Alexandra2001

"You re happy he has released 1500 people convicted of attacking law enforcement officers & elected politicians, many of whom fled for their lives but all good with you."

So are you happy that Starmer has early released 1,700 people convicted of crimes such as:

Burglars
Fraudsters
Rioters
Drug dealers
Manslaughter

uk.news.yahoo.com/early-prison-release-scheme-offences-102959037.html#:~:text=Those%20criminals%20serving%20prison%20sentences,a%20history%20of%20domestic%20violence.

So by “terminal decline” you actually meant growth?
Is this Trump-speak? Alternative fact discourse?

No, Tony Blair started the chaos with his open door approach to immigration, we are still feeling the effects of this today.

No i'm not but there is a difference here that you know all too well... the UK has run out of Prison space, due to the Tories not building/maintaining prisons or retaining staff.

I also missed the bit where Starmer called these prisoners "Hostages"

Early release was also used extensively by the Tories, note you stayed quiet over that.....

And it was the Tories that dismantled and destabilised this country from the ground up. The detrimental ravages of Brexit will be felt for generations to come.

Should there also be 2,000 more foodbanks? Is that indicative of a growing economy?

I love how this list of 'things he's doing right' gets more batshit the further down it goes.
Kick out 'foreigns'
Isolationism
Climate change denial
Intolerance
Beat up on the poor
Common sense

Migrants from fellow European countries, who came here solely to work, didn't bring family dependents with them & then returned.... vs migrants from SE Asia & Africa, with family members, who will never return.

Oh and then the Tories allowed in up to 5m people from Hong Kong, vast majority NOT fleeing persecution, HK is one of the worlds fastest growing economies and has huge international presence, and a large international university.
Iran it is not.

Yes a good deal all round.

When has the U.S.A ever looked to the UK for leadership? You talk of 'bleeding heart' liberals but that's you misunderstanding of UK culture.

The European descendants to America that you refer to from the UK at least, were the Puritans who were rejecting the folklore, Shape shifting pagans, moving to America to reject kings and queens, birthrights and to pursue their religious, moral convictions. Culturally the British have always had a preference for the characters that subvert the rules, the pagan origins mean that there is a understanding that we are guests on this earth and nature is a powerful force more so than any person. The culture that we have grown up with informs our behaviour, we are not a naturally obedient nation, hence why no one person in politics is ever going to be revered in a way that is possible in a highly religious and moral culture, like exists in America. For many of us this, the folklore culture, the tricksters triumphing, was reflected in the stories and fairy tales we were told as children and the stories we tell our children, Harry Potter, Peter Pan, The Chronicles of Narnia they describe parallel universes that explore children's fears and anxieties in the universe but they are not the realistic, moral tales of Mark Twain where spiritual development is at the heart of them, redeeming your sins. Mary Poppins for example, is a challenge to stereotypes about women, she empowers the children and the women around her, the British like that, they like the subversion.

Boris Johnson played on that Toad of Toad Hall character as he knew it appeals to British sensibilities, breaking some of the rules but cheering everyone up with it.

It is of course your preogative to see this as a negative but in reality it is just a different cultural outlook, we don't need to be divided over it.

Tbf you need higher growth than we have now not to decline

Well not at the expense of everyone else's standard of living, we don't have the American Dream here. How much money is enough, what is the point of lots of very, very, wealthy people at the expense of everyone else and the most impoverished living a life last seen in the Victorian era!

A good read OP: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jan/19/donald-trump-elon-musk-class-war-uk-us-oligarchies-democracy

'Their decision', rather flippant about completely avoidable deaths, it is 2025 not the dark ages! You have lauded the benefits of fossil fuels and how they have allowed you to live in your American utopia but that is cold comfort if you have no rights if you happen to be a woman living in the wrong state!

You say the Brits aren't obedient. But we are not exactly disobedient either. We are one of the rare states that don't have a codified constitution, we've never had a revolution.

Which is what America is now

👍 This has to be the best post I have ever seen on here

All my life I was an avid Guardian reader, until I realised what they had become. It's been a few years since I have read anything from them now but I thought I'd give this article a click. It was quite disturbing to try and read this because it's almost like it's written in a different language. Every other sentence, I understand what the words mean - but I want the author to explain what he means by them, because I'm struggling to make it make sense. Yes. I know us plebs will only ever be at the mercy of our elites. And we are seeing a realignment between the preexisting establishment elite and independent financial elites. But really, Obama bailed the bankers and left house owners to suffocate, Harris was proud and loud to have her campaign chiefly advised by Goldman Sachs. Fight for democracy? How high is he. There is no such thing.

Trump is a snake oil salesman who is very clever at exploiting the deepest fears and worst side of everyday people.
He does not stand for the everyday American people. He stands for himself and the super-wealthy.
The front row seats at the inauguration, usually filled with senior government officials, were filled with the richest people on earth, Zuckerburg, Bezos, Musk, Shou Zi Chew ( CEO of TIK TOK), and Sundar Pichai (CEO of Google)
We are quite literally going to be ruled by corporations. They will not care about everyday Americans. Profit will be the only driving force.
His last admiration disbanded the National Security Council directorate charged with a pandemic response. As a result, the USA had one of the highest worldwide Covid death tolls.

After Trump, 17 States have banned abortion in all cases, rape, incest, and when the mother’s life is in danger.

Whether he believes it or not, climate change is real and the West is not prepared. China is the leading producer of solar power and electric cars.
Gender reassignment is an issue, but he is not interested in solving the problem, but rather exploiting it to garner votes. In any event, young people are unlikely to change their minds because of Trump.
The ‘illegal immigrants’ pick the cherries, apples, pears, asparagus, berries, and hops that create Washington's $5.23 billion agriculture economy. Let’s see whether he deports them. It's unlikely, as the corporations that profit will prevent it.
Under Democrats and Republicans, the USA has turned into a country that puts profit before people. Expect to see even less regulation and a wider divide between rich and poor.

No it's not

How on earth can you look at the floods, wildfires and eco disasters happening across the world, the decimation of wildlife and the displacement and death of millions of people, and think climate emergency is 'made up'?

Read it again dopey. I as in me. Not you as in you. Got it ?

Post: “He advocates direct sexual assault.”

@User09678: “In a way, that’s a good thing.”

The Trump supporting Americans you always get a sprinkling of on pages like this never ever mention their home grown nut jobs- many of whom are as American as they come and white as snow and their are shitloads of these angry freaks out there - They also tend to identify anyone non white as an immigrant - A massive amount in the USA are American born and have as much right to be there as they do. Same applies here by the way. They need to get to grips with the fact that huge inequalities and lack of access to better themselves or even survive without significant cash leads to the kind of tensions they have- it's an extremely dog eat dog place, all fine if life is going hunky dory but not so great if anything goes wrong. Michael Moore wrote a great book on this topic- forgot what it's called now but basically stating large parts of the USA are indeed like the 3rd world- and he isn't far wrong. There is a medium line to be had between Trumps borderline Nazi diatribes and Harris's -'joy and love' platitudes and sadly it seems the US doesn't have anyone to vote for that recognises the issues and acts in a centre ground pragmatic way . Obama was more like this- he's much missed

Isn't it? Much better than the other team who insisted boys can use the girls bathroom and then when a father complains that his daughter was raped he gets arrested.

I'd much rather know what I'm dealing with. It's safer.

It's not made up. But you are being unreasonable if you believe that anyone is seriously going to voluntarily accept the hit in living standards addressing this crisis will necessitate.