Grooming gangs being labelled as "Muslim grooming gangs"

[Olga009933]

Why is religious heritage of child sex offenders only mentioned in headlines when the offenders are of south Asian and predominantly Muslim heritage.
Why not just label them as "grooming gangs" or "Asian grooming gangs" (if wanting to be be specific).
Just thinking and wondering about the thousands of white British and presumably non-Muslim sex offenders who make the news. How many of them are labelled "Christian sex attacker" or "Jewish pervert" etc? Why is the religious heritage of a sex offender only mentioned why the offenders are of Muslim background?
If mentioning religion for one particular demographic then surely its only fair to mention the religious heritage of them all?

I was quoting the National Police Chief's Council. As shared on page 2. Who says there is no specific ethnic issue. But what would they know eh. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/elon-musk-npcc-keir-starmer-nigel-farage-pakistani-b2677586.html

I share the general concerns about tarring all Muslims with the crimes of a minority of evil men. And think it is important to use language appropriately.

However, I do think that there is a distinctive edge to this type of grooming, which is why "Muslim grooming gangs" has become shorthand for:

• men (some, a minority, but still a fair number and an overrepresentation in their communities in the places where this type of behaviour has occurred) from Muslim, mainly Pakistani, communities befriending, grooming and raping (and enabling other Muslim men to rape) predominantly white and non-Muslim girls from vulnerable or troubled backgrounds

• this taking place in multiple towns and communities with a relatively large Muslim population or concentration, where concerns about racial tensions have prevented community leaders and law enforcement agencies from adequately protecting victims and bringing perpetrators to justice.

"Muslim grooming gangs" does convey and evoke those particular issues. In the same way as "paedophile priests" denominates another type of issue that was historically very poorly dealt with but does not mean all catholic priests are paedophiles.

I think that it isn't unfair to see this rapist gangs as racially aggravated offences, given the targeting by one ethnicity on another. That doesn't mean that I think we should be generalising to all Muslim men, just that we should be clear about what these Muslim men did.

There is unfortunately a specific ethnic issue. If you live in the northern towns that are in the news you know that. Or don't they count?

I was quoting the National Police Chief's Council. As shared on page 2. Who says there is no specific ethnic issue

Do you realise how many police forces are implicated in not going after these gangs? They don't have the data to make these claims. It's spin. Do some better research.

I can't tell you the motivation of the Pakistani Muslim rapists.

Then why have you been quote replying to my replies arguing with me, when my replies have been towards another poster, pointing out that she can't know the motivation of Pakistani Muslim rapists?

Agree. Although I think we should be using the term Pakistani Muslim rape gangs.if we want to be transparent and use our words to describe something that has happened.

I don't know if people insist on being tactically blind out of sport or hatred but I am beyond it now. And given I'm a fairly unshakeable sort, I expect that a vast number of others feel the same.

Agree. Although I think we should be using the term Pakistani Muslim rape gangs.if we want to be transparent and use our words to describe something that has happened.

As I said, if people are going to pretend that there's nothing to see because most "grooming gangs" are white, people will inevitably have to do this to discuss this problem.

Ok considering this conversation is now at the point that facts and data don't matter and alleging anything stated by the police currently (who have reckoned with their woeful response to the Rotherham scandal amongst others and know they are facing enormous media and public scrutiny) is just because of a conspiracy, I'm out. Enjoy your racism everyone, I guess.

Because you chipped in when I was originally replying to someone.else. I haven't read the discussion you yourself are having with someone else.

I think that's for the best.

Ok considering this conversation is now at the point that facts and data don't matter and alleging anything stated by the police currently (who have reckoned with their woeful response to the Rotherham scandal amongst others

Have they now.

Facts and data, we don't have the facts and data. That's the whole fucking point, isn't it?

It’s factual though ! The majority are from Pakistani decent and are Muslim. Why does that upset people ?

we have a major issue in this country and everyone’s to scared to speak or they’ll be labelled racist. No it’s not at all it’s factual, it’s very very worrying.

Facts and data, we don't have the facts and data. That's the whole fucking point, isn't it?

Yazzi believes everything government quangos tell her apparently. Even when they don't actually record the data in most cases.

Yazzi may have an ulterior motive as I think does anyone who seeks to muddy the waters on the biggest crime in UK history.

It’s very similar to NHS hospitals. They only have prayer rooms for Muslims. They don’t have prayer rooms for Christians or prayer rooms for Jewish or prayer rooms for anybody else.

@Yazzi

You must surely see how weak your arguments are.

I think you are misunderstanding my point. I am not saying that these men were motivated primarily by religious belief. And I'm certainly not saying that a fair interpretation of Islam would justify it. These are not good pious men.

I'm taking issue with your view that (roughly) 'these men aren't true Muslims, as understood by Yazzi, therefore their Muslim beliefs were not relevant to their offending'. Plenty of Muslims do, in fact, drink. And sadly, people do use their understanding of Islam to justify atrocities. Including rape.

Then the question is just whether that was a notable factor in this case. I think it was. I didn't quote before (either from the Quran or from these men) as I didn't want to be inflammatory. But a few examples if we must:

I was [...] beaten, tortured and raped over 100 times. I was called a “white slag” and “white c__” as they beat me. They made it clear that because I was a non-Muslim, and not a virgin, and because I didn’t dress “modestly”, that they believed I deserved to be “punished”. They said I had to “obey” or be beaten.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/rotherham-grooming-gang-sexual-abuse-muslim-islamist-racism-white-girls-religious-extremism-terrorism-a8261831.html

'You preyed on girls because they were not part of your community or religion', says judge as he jails Rochdale sex gang for 77 years

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/you-preyed-on-girls-because-they-were-687987

“We are the supreme race, not these white bastards [the police] [...] You f__ed my community.. You destroyed my community and our children. None of us did that. White people trained those girls to be so much advanced in sex. They were coming without hesitation to Rochdale,Oldham, Bradford, Leeds and Nelson and wherever.""

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/leader-of-rochdale-sex-grooming-gang-689929

Religious beliefs were absolutely not the only factor here. But you think they weren't a motivating factor at all? I don't buy it. The evidence doesn't support it.

Our NHS hospital has a multi faith prayer room

@Hoppingabout

Yes, Pakistani Muslim rape gangs is factually accurate and also conveys what people are trying to convey in terms of the crime. No argument here. Could add "men" in I suppose if you want to.

Those who oppose it should propose a different factually accurate helpful shorthand. As I said "paedophile priests", "stepfather on child violence/sexual violence" etc conveys how the exploitation/abuse arose and that it is a recurring problem or pattern, but doesn't say that all priests or stepfathers are evil. I don't see why we should give one set of abusers a pass in the language - isn't that part of the problem?

So does mine

It's an interesting question, well worth the time and effort our police put in to try to understand it.

Did Ted Kaczynski and Osama Bin Laden have a different motivation for their attacks?

My view is that this should be reported regardless.

And you continue to rent to tenants who do this? I've known landlords to evict tenants for much less.