Grooming gangs being labelled as "Muslim grooming gangs"

[Olga009933]

Why is religious heritage of child sex offenders only mentioned in headlines when the offenders are of south Asian and predominantly Muslim heritage.
Why not just label them as "grooming gangs" or "Asian grooming gangs" (if wanting to be be specific).
Just thinking and wondering about the thousands of white British and presumably non-Muslim sex offenders who make the news. How many of them are labelled "Christian sex attacker" or "Jewish pervert" etc? Why is the religious heritage of a sex offender only mentioned why the offenders are of Muslim background?
If mentioning religion for one particular demographic then surely its only fair to mention the religious heritage of them all?

Why are we now pretending that these Muslim rape gangs weren't stopped because people were lazy? It's a lie. Plenty of police are good at their jobs and dedicated. Pretending this happened because they are corrupt or lazy is simply chilish. Many were afraid. I know a policeman who was was told in no uncertain terms that these kind of issues are only allowed to be dealt with by the 'community' to avoid rioting. Which let's face it, the Muslim community are more than happy to do. Who can forget the black lives matter protests for the death of drug dealer Yasser Yaqub. A man who was literally reaching for his gun when shot, but still the bradford muslim community turned out in force to show their displeasure at the death of this scumbag, whilst doing nothing about him themselves. Or the recent riots because an Asian man was arrested at Manchester airport. They didn't appear to care that he had punched a female police officer in the face when they were all getting their knickers in a knot did they?

Ask Ann Cryer about raising the issue of these rapes, she raised the alarm decades ago and was branded a rascist.

These men need to be publicly acknowledged as Muslim as much as possible and wherever possible. Why? The Muslim community makes quite a big deal about how they want their own Sharia courts and their community can deal with its own wrong doers. Yet time and again they do nothing and perpetrators regularly abscond abroad.

They need to be reported as Muslims to remove the stigma of people calling out these communities, just because Muslims are often brown and black it doesn't mean they are inherently good or above criticism but for many years in the Yorkshire region they have been.

Many Muslims are vehemently homophobic, many support death for those leaving the religion and many, many of them are deeply misogynistic. Believing that unless women and young girls are locked away and covered up that they are whores. Many think that white non Muslims are trash and can be used and abused at will. And that is why is vital to publicly state that those responsible are Muslims. Misogyny had no place in society, it is equally as vlle as rascism yet it is endemic in the Muslim community and we are all expected to look away. Bradford has its own policing unit just to combat forced marriage. In this day and age. In the UK.

So if you are making silly excuses up for why this went on for so long just stop, because you are pushing people into the arms of right wing parties.

The Muslim community in the UK is part of this society, they need to function as part of it and they need to be called out on their protection of wrong doers, their oppression of those with differing religious views, their subjugation of women and their oppression of gay people. To name but a few, because if we keep pretending that Islam is simply a totally benign religion, if we keep pretending that totally isolationist Muslim communities cause no harm, we are perpetuating a lie that in time will lead to the kind of backlash where Nigel Farage becomes our leader.

Then we're all fucked, so let stop the dishonesty.

@Onemorenamechangeagain My bil worked in a school in Walsall, he told me the young lads don't even respect their own mothers let alone the girls at school. Lots and lots of assemblies talking about gender equality etc but none of it made a difference

The only difference is the wording. When it's a group of white men, it's called a "ring" if it's a group of brown men its called a "gang". But ultimately its the same thing.

If you're having this issue repeatedly, could you not ask the council to let your properties out on a licence, rather than a long term lease? My understanding is that it's easier to get problematic tenants out on if they are on a licence. This is what councils used to do as standard procedure, I wasn't aware that this had changed.

The only difference is the wording. When it's a group of white men, it's called a "ring" if it's a group of brown men its called a "gang". But ultimately it's the same thing.

So? That doesn't mean that there isn't a problem with these particular gangs, that needs attention. Just like the "rings" do, in the specific ways they operate.

I never said it doesn't need attention. I think that's one thing we can all agree on.

I did.
”That is their culture”

People in Rotherham: “There have been (and still are) thousands of girls over decades being systematically raped and tortured by Pakistani Muslim men and no one will do anything about it because they either don’t believe the white girls or because they don’t want to have their careers and lives ruined by being considered to be racist”

The world: “We don’t believe you, and what is more, you’re being racist”

😳😳😳

I never said it doesn't need attention. I think that's one thing we can all agree on.

Not everyone on this thread, but fair enough.

I did.
”That is their culture”

There needs to be zero tolerance of this. This isn't Pakistan and coercive control is illegal.

The problem is, that if you do not live in these towns, in the specific areas where this happens, you can’t understand it. It’s not just a case of crimes being committed and no one doing anything. It’s a case of the crimes being so embedded in the culture of the town that no one thinks there is anything TO report or that reporting it makes THEM the bad guy. The men who are committing these offences today are the sons and grandsons of the men doing it in the 70’s and 80’s. They are raised knowing their dads, uncles, brothers do this and it is considered normal. These men own Rotherham. They commit acts of violence and hold areas of the town hostage by their reign of terror.
They live in the poorest and most deprived areas (where I lived) so people who could do anything about it, have no experience or understanding of what it is really like. They know the polite and respectable relations of these men who work on the council and in serious professions. The Muslims they know are doctors, councillors, teachers, social workers and lawyers etc. Those councillors and lawyers are the ones who make it impossible for anything to change.
Please visit Rotherham if you do not believe me.
Rent an AirBnB in Ferham, Eastwood, Tinsley and spend a few months walking around and observing. Put your children in the schools there. Then come back and tell me I’m lying.

As you've rightly said, I don't live in any of the towns where this is prevalent. But can I ask, as someone who does live there, now that this has all come to light, do you think it is as prevalent as it was 10 or 20 years ago? Has it decreased at all, now that these men know that they're being watched? I would assume they'd be more reluctant to approach children now, in this age where teenagers (and people in general) will whip out a phone and start recording when something untoward happens? Has this worked as a deterrent in any way? Or has it not made any difference?

No difference.

Look at the responses on this thread. People are too uncomfortable talking about it. If anything, it’s worse now just because we know EVERYONE knows, and yet the accounts are questioned, “what about the white grooming gangs” is put forward, “you’re racist”, Elon Musk being openly told to shut up talking about it, it’s just more silencing only on a national/ international scale instead.
I will say that they have changed their main target of victims though. They now also groom Roma girls. The added complication of a second culture added to the fear of “racism” and a culture that have a much more normalised view of young girls being pimped out as “prostitutes” by their own parents at that. It’s all just compounded.
Like I say, I left 2 years ago. We saved up a house deposit and got our children out of there.

Because this is a very specific type of grooming gang, predominantly populated by a very specific type of South Asian Muslim man. I think Chinese, Korean, Turkish, Thai, Japanese and more men would be highly offended to be associated with the very specific activities of the predominantly South Asian (Pakistani) Muslim men.

As I got higher up in the education sector (2015 ish) I started attending secret meetings about concerns regarding safeguarding within the Roma community. One in particular was attended by representatives from the local schools, the police, social services, NHS etc. We discussed the fact that we KNEW children were being encouraged to defecate themselves to be able to claim more disability benefits, we KNEW they had their children (age 3 upwards) out on the streets unsupervised until the early hours. We had very strong suspicions the parents were complicit in girls as young as 8 being used as prostitutes by Pakistani Muslim men for a cut.
We discussed all the different evidence and situations we’d experienced.

The result of that meeting was that the police and social services decided to not act until we had “more evidence” for fear of backlash and calls of racism from the Roma and Pakistani Muslim communities. The Rotherham situation had broken in the media two years prior. The doctors were very concerned about the long term effect of children no longer holding their bowel movements but the ones with the most power had spoken.

I quit a few weeks later and moved the DV sector. I thought I would be able to do more and help more with the knowledge we had. I did that for a few years before realising it was just more of the same.

I quit and started working in my husband’s business which is in retail.

I know people won’t believe my accounts. That’s who whole problem.

Probably because Pakistani Christians, Sikhs and Hindus aren't grooming and raping young women in the same way as some Pakistani Muslim men are. HTH.

When we reported it [I used to run an alternative provision for the local PRU] when one 14 year old was leaving the house every night, and going to a town about 20 miles away and getting raped by multiple men we were told by the PRU, and her mother that the police had told them that there was nothing they could do, and you can't keep a 14 year old girl locked up at night as that would be a crime.

At the time we never even clicked that she would have been getting there by taxi. And home again. And that was part of the whole fucking thing.

Jesus christ, I looked at these places on Google street view and it's like a third world country 😬

It's not being seen in other Pakistani communities either; Pakistani Christians, Sikhs and Hindus aren't grooming and raping white girls. This is specifically a Pakistani Muslim issue.

It is and those of us with the audacity to leave are called “racist” and accused of “white flight” by white liberals with no experience of it. Funny how they never move there though.

I live further north and have a lot of "white flight" up here.. I don't blame them to be honest!! Who the hell would want to live there

"New figures from the police database show that, where ethnicity data was available, 85% of “group-based” child abusers were white in the first three quarters of 2024." That points to approximately the white demographic in this country. Would be interesting to factor in religion, given that we are quick to label Catholic abusers as such.

Again, that report treated two men working together as a gang.

''Groups have been defined as “two or more people of any age, connected through formal or informal associations or networks, including, but not exclusive to, friendship groups”
www.gov.uk/government/publications/group-based-child-sexual-exploitation-characteristics-of-offending/characteristics-of-group-based-child-sexual-exploitation-in-the-community-literature-review-accessible-version

You do realise these are CHILDREN we are talking about? Not adults, who may be able to understand the differences. Children.

Many of them were also vulnerable children to begin with, and certainly were after this group of creatures started raping them.

For fucks sake.