Grooming gangs being labelled as "Muslim grooming gangs"

[Olga009933]

Why is religious heritage of child sex offenders only mentioned in headlines when the offenders are of south Asian and predominantly Muslim heritage.
Why not just label them as "grooming gangs" or "Asian grooming gangs" (if wanting to be be specific).
Just thinking and wondering about the thousands of white British and presumably non-Muslim sex offenders who make the news. How many of them are labelled "Christian sex attacker" or "Jewish pervert" etc? Why is the religious heritage of a sex offender only mentioned why the offenders are of Muslim background?
If mentioning religion for one particular demographic then surely its only fair to mention the religious heritage of them all?

The victims they say were children in care.

Question are children in care allowed to stay out all night. Should care home staff be more on the ball.

There is documented evidence of people who tried to expose it and do something about it and they were hushed. That is not a "hunch".

This is the point which seems to go over a lot of peoples heads

I mean Islam was created purely for the purpose of conquering and empire building.

That is largely the MO of most large religions. The way the method was used with Christianity by the Roman Empire is obviously well known.

The founders of Islam wanted access to to the Mediterranean - Israel has always been strategically important. So Islam was devised to enable such a conquest more likely.

Hence the positioning of Islam as the natural successor to Christianity and Judaism

Hence the freeing of POW if they converted

Hence the appropriation of sites holy to Christianity and Judaism. Mohammed “being taken up into heaven” from Jerusalem was a marking of territory - stories were borrowed to make Islam seem familiar.

But what is the cause of the gangs being covered up - racism?

The quota is based on misogyny and rapists being within the justice system so wanting other rapists to walk free.

Thanks for posting this. Just a small insight into the reality of what is going on this country. People need to start listening and take action. Sadly, I fear it's too late.

The ringleader of the grooming gang in my area was a Hindu.

@Feelingathomenow

Yes definitely

Doesn't Islam mean submission

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-pakistans-rape-culture-led-to-the-uk-grooming-gangs/

I'm not confronted with "facts" I don't like, though. I don't dispute that there are grooming gangs, and grooming gangs which coalesce around race. But the actual facts state that there isn't one specific race or religion that has a tendency to gang based grooming. The attempts to make that argument in the face of actual facts and data and the experience of those who work in the sector, is what is racist.

And if course I am not mocking women in their hour of need. I am being sarcastic to point out that the attempt to act like it's Muslim men specifically who are patriarchal and abuse flies in the face of what we see on this site all day every day.

@Khayker I couldn't read all that article but it said "being underage was of little consequence because here (Pakistan) once the girls hit puberty they are fair game.

Paraphrased.

A girl at my school said her dad checked her bed to see when she was ready to marry.

This must be one of the stupidest question I’ve read on MN

Submission to the will of God.

A doctrine essential to every religion including Christianity... "Thy will be done" being a phase you might have heard before

I haven't RTFT but have read quite a bit of it.

This might be a naive question, and we know that certain organisations didn't want to be seen as 'racist' towards Muslim men of Pakistani origin who were routinely raping vulnerable white girls.

Has anyone considered whether there was a heightened sense of not wanting to be accused of being 'institutionally racist' in the light of the McPherson report? Can I even ask this without being considered to be racist?

I'm afraid I don't think that logic works.

Because your same logic would also 'disprove' that the Crusades were motivated by religion. After all, if they were, why don't we see Christians in all countries and all centuries going on crusades?

If you don't think the perpetrators' religious beliefs were relevant here then argue that, but you do need to actually engage with the evidence either way. You can't just say "you mean all Muslims are rapists. I can prove they aren't" because you are having a fantasy argument against a position that no-one is advancing.

@Yazzi

I think Christianity has more choices and freedom and people aren't disowned by their families if they don't want to be a Christian anymore.

I think that is something I would find hard to come to terms with.

A number of the rank and file may well have racist views. You can be sure the senior ranking ones, the ones who can push or quosh a referral to CPS know which side of their bread is buttered.

Do Indonesian people live in huge communities in the UK?
Or Sudanese?

Believe the majority of white, indeed most child sex offenders are individuals, not gangs.

Religious affiliation can only be assigned to those who have it. Sadly this largely, is not the case in U.K. Given this, perhaps we might refer to any white gangs thus, or as non Muslim, or non Asian grooming gangs

@suburburban.
We went through the enlightenment in Europe and Europe largely separated church from state.

Look at Henry and the pope.

Even a few decades ago it was frowned on to divorce in large Catholic families etc

However because people moved away from families and can set up in new places away from family and communities, if someone didn't go to church or did divorce who cared?.
You are allowed to lapse in your faith, no one will probably know and the last ting they would threaten you with death etc.

You are born Muslim, you can't leave Islam, everyone knows you and what you do and extremists live dotted about the community.

@SomethingSScintillating

Yes I know our history 😀

• as far as I am aware and could be wrong the major organised rape gangs who are white have been from eastern Europe smuggling white ee girls in as prisoners where they get raped.

Unfortunately men rape, and men and some women enslave girls for money.
I'd love it if our government declared war on organised sex slave gangs in the UK.
Why have we allowed it?

We need to scrutinise all marriages backgrounds and people coming from any culture which isn't compatible with our own.

I remember years ago during brown time about a stand off between Latvians I think and another community somewhere in the north.
Ss were on their knees because the people from whichever ee country it was didn't treat their dc as we would expect them too.

Unfortunately we are not all on the same page.

Yes, you were sarcastically mocking people asking for help on here, why on earth would you use that language and condescending tone for any other reason? I've just put a post above this one by a Pakistani male journalist writing about Pakistani grooming culture and how this has contributer to the grooming scandal in the UK.
I would suggest you read it as its full of facts you probably won't like but will help you be a little more tolerant of opinions based on facts and data other than your own.

It was caused by white people not wanting to be seen as racist and Pakistani Muslim men in positions of power being involved in it.

Look at how people are STILL being accused of racism for talking about. Now imagine you’re an MP relying on the votes of your Pakistani Muslim constituents and your liberal white constituents. How well would it go to be considered racist?

Consider you’re a police officer or a teacher or a social worker and your boss has a cousin who has been accused of it and a huge proportion of the people you deal with on a day to day basis support the men who do this. Consider your boss says the family are dealing with it and you’re better off staying out of it. How do you think your career in Rotherham will go once you’ve been accused of being racist?

We can see the accusation of being called racist shuts down discourse. It’s evidence on this thread alone. Now consider your job depends on your relationship with the Pakistani Muslim community. People kept their mouths shut.

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