Grooming gangs being labelled as "Muslim grooming gangs"

[Olga009933]

Why is religious heritage of child sex offenders only mentioned in headlines when the offenders are of south Asian and predominantly Muslim heritage.
Why not just label them as "grooming gangs" or "Asian grooming gangs" (if wanting to be be specific).
Just thinking and wondering about the thousands of white British and presumably non-Muslim sex offenders who make the news. How many of them are labelled "Christian sex attacker" or "Jewish pervert" etc? Why is the religious heritage of a sex offender only mentioned why the offenders are of Muslim background?
If mentioning religion for one particular demographic then surely its only fair to mention the religious heritage of them all?

I can totally believe this. I don't think it is easy for many, particularly females.

Absolutely! And stating they’re free to leave is just so dismissive of the absolute terror they live in.
I’m just not going to stay silent about the ultimate control and unimaginable power Muslim men have over women in Islam.
It might be met with cries of “RaCiSt” to bring it up, but ignoring misogyny just isn’t an option for me any more.

Getting called a bigot or racist by unhinged liberals is a badge of honour at this point. Any opportunity to screech out their meaningless 'go to' labels.

Bring back the death penalty

For those of you arguing the toss with me about the Quran advocating slavery and sex with female slaves, I'd urge you to watch this and reconsider. Or do you know better than an Islamic scholar?

Wish it was so simple. You know that innocent people would be stitched up and 'fried' at the hands of our judicial system.

I don't understand why dual nationality citizens who are found guilty of particular high level crimes like this can't be deported. Is that too costly or simplistic. I don't know.

Not correct. The Koran states clearly that all women of the enemy are able to be raped and enslaved as desired. Why do you think Isis monsters were raping young girls repeatedly and selling them in markets? The Yazidis are Muslim but there are so many factions within Islam that they can interpret that as they wish. In their view (Muslim gang rapist/pimps) white girls and the wider white community are infidels so they are ok with subjecting them to such brutality.

Yes we know it’s not all Muslims but we have to wake up to this. Raja Miaz knows all about this and Labour’s acceptance of such behaviour as community leaders order their population how to vote so Labour won’t do anything about it. I applaud Elon Musk for forcing this out into the open.

Yes they are.

How about instead of the press or the public not describing them as muslim, but have a look at how the poor victims described them in interview or court! I wonder which collective noun they used.

Lets stop all this whataboutery nonsense. As what was pointed out up thread. Are those in charge of social work, residential homes and policing guilty of reverse racism by not dealing with this abuse at the time. If so, what penalties should they face?

We have thousands of young women who had their childhoods destroyed, often left with severe mental health issues. If that could have been prevented with action at the time, they deserve justice.

I don't see any bigotry on here.

Saying I find the religion of Islam concerning and problematic for all the reasons cited here is absolutely ok. To say, what is it that's tied into this ( be it culture or ethnicity), that further propagates the problems I have with this religion '. This is absolutely ok.

To ask, why are groups who follow the religion of Islam somehow protected in our society from the application of law that others must follow? This is ok.

I think most if not all of us are trying our best to avoid anything like brown =bad and Muslim person =bad, because we know that is too simplistic, we don't actually feel that if we fully analyse our feelings and we just don't know enough about individual people across each group to say every person of this identity/ belief is bad.

We can however call out patterns and be concerned when large groups are collectively doing something so depraved with no conscience.

I am happy to be corrected but I see no other religion where people are so terribly punished and thus afraid for saying ' hang on a minute, the teachings of this religion go against everything I stand for ' . I don't like this and I don't bloody want it!

This feeds into what happened here with these rape gangs. It's therefore highly relevant to reference.

It is highly relevant.

Tittat50 in theory some will be deported but the UK has a really terrible record of doing that. One fellow is out after 10 years inside and still romping around Rotherham doing food deliveries. the Home Office has been trying to remove him for 10 years but apparently he decided to give up his Pakistani second passport. I am not so sure that removes his rights to such a passport but it is going through the courts at present.

It has been suggested (and is a really good idea in my view) that the UK refuses every visa for everyone from Pakistan until Pakistan agrees to take rapists and other criminals back. Pakistan itself has expelled 800,000 illegal immigrant Aghans with even more to come because of Taliban terrorism in Afghanistan.

Show me where it says that women of the enemy can be raped. They can't. Sex outside marriage is not permitted so how could rape of innocent women be sanctioned?

I will watch that later. But given some of the other content on his channel I suspect his own beliefs have inappropriately infiltrated his scholastic views.

my first question though is why are there no women allowed at the talk?

Yes, screeching “racist” at people, instead of debating the point, brings nothing to the discussion. 🤷‍♀️🙄

‘Most’

From an Islamic website: The reason why this is permitted is that this slave woman belongs to him, either because he has paid money to buy her or he has fought for the sake of Allaah (and acquired her among the war booty).
Shaykh al-Shanqeeti (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The reason for which people may be taken as slaves is if they are kaafirs who are waging war against Allaah and His Messenger. If Allaah grants victory to the mujaahid Muslims, who are offering their souls, their wealth and all their resources and everything that Allaah has given them so that the word of Allaah might prevail over the kuffaar, then these kuffaar may become slaves, unless the imam chooses to let them go or to ransom them if that serves the interests of the Muslims.
Adwa’ al-Bayaan, 3/387
The practice of taking slaves from defeated non Muslim tribes and incorporating the females into the household as concubines has historical roots. The passages above sound like something from the ISIS playbook. Think of the Yazidi women taken as sex slaves in Syria ( Yazidi are not Muslim). Now I don’t think any of these slave women would have offered anything resembling the modern definition of consent. There are just reams and reams of texts in the Coran and the hadiths that justify coercion and rape of women under various circumstances ( they are your legitimate Islamic wife but they disobey you. They are not Muslim).

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/13737/what-is-the-ruling-on-intimacy-with-slave-women
in case anyone wants to check said website.

Fucking hell, intimacy woth a slave. Feels like reading something from the the romans.
Despite the Director of puvlic prosecutions asking the law society to look at why misogyny isnt a hate crime despite sex being a protected characteristic would be another step in combatting all VAWG.

@Betchyaby - I’ve now watched this and find it extraordinarily worrying this man has so many followers.

1. why is he only speaking to men?
2. why does he effectively refuse to answer the persons questions about sex with non- Muslim women
3. why does he try and stir up anti west hatred by making accusations about Guantanamo Bay and say this proves Islam is “superior” - any so called scholar of comparative religion would not make these kinds of comments which I think undermines any claim to his scholastic credentials.
4. He doesn’t seem to address the rest of Q4:34 which states in its various translations men are above women as ordained by Allah.
5. He doesn’t really address whether Islam allows slavery
6. He doesn’t address the question about whether women have the same rights.

His channel is full of videos that seem to put forward the view that Islam is superior to other religions and Judaism and Christianity should both recognise Mohammed as a prophet.

Other all a terrible example of scholastic perspective. Cab you recommend a decent scholar who can talk about this subject.

Probably the best place to start would be Quran 4:34
Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

Because there has never been such a large number of Christian Grooming Gangs in England that we know of. What is the problem with saying Muslims, if it was bunch of black men it would be “Black Grooming Gangs”.

But let’s be honest here it’s not about the naming we should be bothered about it’s all the poor victims and people that have been involved in it and ignored it. We should be worried about the future the vulnerable children that currently live in England under our shitty government.

There is also the endemic abuse ( including sexual abuse) of domestic women usually from poor African and Asian countries in rich Gulf Arab etc households in London and in the home nations. Does the fact that they are women and non Muslims justify this in the minds of the perpetrators?

I agree, it is strange that a religion that doesn't allow a man to touch a woman who isn't in his family or wife- is somehow blamed for the exact opposite. I guess ignorance is the cause of most of this. As a person who had many moroccan men in her family who are Muslim, it's just ridiculous they should be casted and judged in the same circle as these creeps.

The problem here is that by NOT calling them what they were they swept it under the carpet allowing the issue to continue for far too long. I am a die hard lefty but the fact is that these grooming gangs were overwhelmingly muslim men, and not acknowledging that doesnt keep girls safe.

As to the name “ Muslim grooming gangs”it may have something to do that non Muslim Asians have pushed back against the moniker “ Asian grooming gangs” because they feel it unfairly tars them with the same brush.