Grooming gangs being labelled as "Muslim grooming gangs"

[Olga009933]

Why is religious heritage of child sex offenders only mentioned in headlines when the offenders are of south Asian and predominantly Muslim heritage.
Why not just label them as "grooming gangs" or "Asian grooming gangs" (if wanting to be be specific).
Just thinking and wondering about the thousands of white British and presumably non-Muslim sex offenders who make the news. How many of them are labelled "Christian sex attacker" or "Jewish pervert" etc? Why is the religious heritage of a sex offender only mentioned why the offenders are of Muslim background?
If mentioning religion for one particular demographic then surely its only fair to mention the religious heritage of them all?

I really can believe this. Again I'm talking in sweeping generalisations regarding the institution that is the Police.

You can imagine the initial reluctance was misogyny, and then you add in the developing pressure from community representatives within partner organisations such as the Council and then the Social Workers with their prejudice regarding the behaviour of a certain group of working class girls and it just gave the Police a further pass to do fuck all.

I only have anecdotal evidence of my own working as a civilian with the Police in London. The collective views of many male officers was scary; for example, the local sex workers were just loving it according to their mindset. Not the poor mens fault 🙄.

I notice the pictures and names when they are found guilty eg the Rotherham gang

"Operation Stovewood: Seven jailed for child abuse in Rotherham - BBC News" www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyly0rdyz0o

Bradford three days ago.

You do realise apostasy in Islam is punishable by death don’t you? Although not part of UK law some Muslims do uphold sharia law over UK law.

you do realise that women are subject to very different rules that cover all aspects of their lives - none of which are beneficial to women. You do realise women are often left isolated? It’s not a case of “oh they sit separately in a mosque”.

Your views are very poorly informed and I guess come from a place of not having much contact with Muslims.

If I were a typical decent human being from a country of origin or similar appearance to these men - I would see these news reports and think shit no. I'd be really worried for myself and my children and how we might then be perceived as being ' just the same '. I think those fears are valid and I think some posters here are coming from that place.

I think ignorance is more at play than racism. I accept there may be elements of ignorance in my comments.

This is a poor analogy but I have a child who is ND and in some ways quite different and rebellious. When I see a story about some kid who went on a rampage ( usually America) and it starts to look like they are different too, I think oh shit no. Because I know it could potentially feed into a collective prejudice.

I dislike Islam and everything it propogates. I do however accept there will be decent people who don't buy into every element of it and are no ' threat'.

I don't know enough about the culture / ethnicity here and how that fed into this. You read some horrific stories about collective male violence in Pakistan. But again, the breadth of it is difficult to ascertain. But there is something here to be very mindful of due to the scale ( number) of men collectively participating in something so grotesque with apparent ease of conscience.

Being shunned by your family is horrible but not illegal and happens in many non Muslim families ( often called going “no contact “)
No one chooses their family or has choice over what religion they’re born into .
In this country we are free as adults to choose our religion. For some people that might mean being shunned by their families. There’s nothing society can do about that.

I do have contact with Muslims. I teach Muslims and I have work colleagues who are Muslims. They are good people.
I am fortunate that I don’t have dealings with extremist Muslims . But I know they exist and I fully support an enquiry and transparency about how they were allowed to operate in grooming gangs to torture and rape vulnerable girls .

Have you asked these people whether they feel apostasy would be viewed supportively?

unfortunately misogyny is rife in Islam and not linked to extremism. For example where I lived previously there were 6 curry houses on the Main Street. Not a single woman was employed in any of them in the 25 years I lived there.

imagine those beasts saw alot of advantages to them as males in converting to Islam.

As OP says, there are white Muslim populations who aren't converts. Eastern Europe has various Muslim groups, many Turkish people for eg are quite light skinned, mixed race people can look very different to one of the races of their parents.

I personally know Women doctors , teachers etc who are practicing Muslims. I’m not sure why women don’t work in Curry houses - perhaps it is because it is a particular and more extreme version of Islam ? but I know that Muslim women in general work in prestigious roles in the NHS etc so it doesn’t work to generalise

@Feelingathomenow I’ll leave you and your racist mates to it. You know far less than you plainly believe that you do. That much is certainly clear.

I think there is a difference between Muslims who have integrated more into the west though and for some reason it is ok in certain professions, esp noticeable in accountancy and medicine.

But if you take out these anomalies Muslim women don’t tend to work in general jobs. I wouldn’t say this is an extremist view within Islam,

Do you live on a high density Muslim area? Or are you just citing odd examples

Would you like to explain more, or are you just trying to intimidate women into silence. What have I said that is incorrect? If you think there is something you need to raise that in a plain way and have a discussion about it.

throwing round accusations of “racist” really does you no favours

This doesn’t work any more. Calling us “racist” won’t make us shut up any more.

I live in London.
I think you are making sweeping assumptions. If you do that with regard to someone’s race or religion that you can’t be too surprised if someone accuses you of racial or religious prejudice.

I’m very sad that posters here are less concerned with ensuring that this doesn’t happen again than with vilifying an entire religion.
We need truth and transparency- not bigotry

Well London is a big place. In the immediate area you live in is there a high density of Muslim residents?

I lived in an area of Birmingham with a very high density of Muslim (mainly Pakistani and Bangladeshi) residents. I worked in a profession again with very high numbers of Muslims. My son attended a school with very high numbers of Muslims. . I can only report my experience and the experiences of other white people living in the area who also shared those experiences.

Thankyou. You're right not to make assumptions as I did to be fair.

It's so unhelpful and a cop out to do this. This is what feeds the backlash. People re so tired of it now.

It's far more productive to debate this for all of us. If something said is misinformed then present another view. Example - my assumption the white participation were converts. That was an assumption without any evidence so poster kindly highlighted further information for me to note.

When people shout ' racist ' all it does is say to me that you are afraid to discuss and accept the very unpleasant reality of the situation currently occurring.

“We need truth and transparency but not too much truth”

Have you considered that the points people are raising here are integral to this stopping (it is still going on).

“You can choose to leave the religion”

but you may live in real fear of being murdered for the rest of your life. You will lose all your family and almost everyone you’ve cared about. That’s not a choice

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34357047

My dad threatened to kill me by getting a knife and holding it against my neck and saying: 'We might as well do it if you're going to bring this much shame to the family.

You're entirely wrong.

Well it does.