Grooming gangs being labelled as "Muslim grooming gangs"

[Olga009933]

Why is religious heritage of child sex offenders only mentioned in headlines when the offenders are of south Asian and predominantly Muslim heritage.
Why not just label them as "grooming gangs" or "Asian grooming gangs" (if wanting to be be specific).
Just thinking and wondering about the thousands of white British and presumably non-Muslim sex offenders who make the news. How many of them are labelled "Christian sex attacker" or "Jewish pervert" etc? Why is the religious heritage of a sex offender only mentioned why the offenders are of Muslim background?
If mentioning religion for one particular demographic then surely its only fair to mention the religious heritage of them all?

I’m from Leeds/Bradford. My Dad was a Mancunian. My family has been in the area for eight generations.

I don't understand this conflict to the extent I'd like. I have thoughts and views yet accept we don't always see everything that goes on. I know if I was a young white working class female in Luton or Oldham for example, I'd feel very uncomfortable because the militant I describe absolutely is going on there.

We can't quantify the number of people who believe in and apply the teachings of Islam in a way that would be uncomfortable to many of us. I can believe some people will be Muslim yet won't apply all elements of the Quran to themselves and others. Despite this, seeing Islam as a religion encapsulated by the Qur'an - I don't like it from a general perspective. I believe the archaic beliefs of these rape gangs will have been fed by this. I do need to go back and research more as I have no evidence to link their depravity to Islam.

Not saying you are wrong at all, but this is a good example of why words like "racist" are becoming less evocative.

People know they aren't in fact racists, they know what they are seeing around them, and they have become immune to people throwing words like that around.

I've spoken to people who say they now almost feel automatic suspicion when someone is accused of racism - not towards the person being accused, but the person calling them that.

Apart from the question at hand I think that is a worrying development.

No their 13.7% was based on “if you remove institutional groups, such as sports groups, schools and church-based group offenders, and group child abuse committed in a family setting..”

So it does mean removing all the christians, majority white, from the data pool.

Is it worse if someone is murdered because they’re gay/ Muslim/ black than if they’re murdered for being in the wrong place at the wrong time?

No. it just adds a different dimension to it which is why we distinguish between hate crimes and non-hate crimes.

Well in the case I know, they were all highly, publicly 'religious' and high up in the mosque operation and the Muslim community. Revered elders.

But it's just another example of the mantle of religion being used by (bad people) to cover up their abuse of power.

You think everyone who are in “church based groups” are white and Christian?

Does it have to be one or the other? Why not "Pakistani Muslim rape gang"? That way, everyone is satisfied with their very specific name/label.

you missed out "arse stretching", you should have said
'racially motivated Muslim gang arse stretching rape paedophile gangs'

Alexis Jay says that there is not a majority of one ethnicity, and I trust her judgement.

I think we do have to look at this in a wider context too. I think we need to look at all situations where men and women are treated differently because of religion. Eg no places of worship
of any religion should exist that are not equally accessible by men and women. All religious roles should be equally open to men and women. If an educational establishment is established for one sex then a corresponding one teaching the same curriculum should be available for the opposite sex.

All educational establishments (public and private) must teach British values, including the equality of men and women).

Religious dress that places greater onus on one sex than the other should be banned in schools and work places.

Religious practices should be banned in work places and educational establishments .this would include eg a Christian society in work places and universities, prayer rooms etc.

The Home Secretary said their isn’t enough data about the ethnicity of the perpetrators and the victims to draw conclusions.

Those who live in towns and cities can see a pattern.

She has ordered part of her “audit” into this issue specifically, I literally watched her speak those words in parliament this week - when Labour did their U-turn on the whole issue. She went against Jess Phillips completely.

As voter in the northern red wall, when it fell I can tell you the grooming gangs was a big issue for us all, and how we felt there was corruption and a cover up going on. We where sick of being told how wonderful and diverse London and the south was, whilst we had to deal with large scale gangs systematically abusing girls and what appeared to us local folk, using cries of Islamophobia to hide the truth.

Because the rich mainly Muslim and South Asain people who aren’t linked to tiny backwards thinking villages in the middle of nowhere, they live in London - the poor ones from this villages and more deprived areas of certain Muslim countries, they live up north in cheaper towns and they have brought with them their culture of disrespect and discrimination against people who are not from their culture or religion.

Yes, there are individual cases of this where religious people are also child rapists but that doesn’t mean you can generalise about one religion as behind most grooming & rape gangs.

Would church based group offenders include groups from mosques and other places of worship also though? Thus muddying the facts even further.

I don't think I have. People have brought up Catholic abuse. But labelling a particular group of 'Muslim men and white girls' means that it is so easy to ignore that similar things are happening all the time.

An absolutely fair point.

I'd be surprised if that figure trends down given the convictions in Q4.

Totally, utterly, true and it was happening 50 years ago in places like Bradford but was swept under the carpet to protect 'community relations'.

These disgusting rapists are in all walks of life. Even as high profile as Saville and the royal family.
It seems that the authorities are always aware but turn a blind eye.
They should all be named and shamed and punished.
The only issue here is where the label Muslim is used and people seem to think it's permissible for Muslims to do this kind of thing in their religion. It really is not.

The Home Secretary is just delaying taking action to prevent these gangs by calling for yet another inquiry. It’s putting cost savings over the safety of yet another generation of girls.

Thank you for admitting that in the data we have, which is on 30% of all grooming gangs over the past forty years there, there is NO evidence of this “pattern” of Muslim/Pakistani majority you are seeing as applying across the board.

30% of all cases is a decent sample size for the studies done on U.K. grooming gangs. Recall past patterns that were false like the MMR and autism.

Another inquiry is delaying safety measures that we know are needed while inflaming racial tensions in the U.K. The Home Secretary only caved because they are trying to appease voters who are flocking to Reform and away from Labour.

It’s about money and votes, they don’t care about northerners or girls.

What data is it drawing from?
Is “grooming gang” something that is systematically recorded by the police/ home office to give accurate and robust data? Or is it a case of ploughing through court transcripts etc?

How is the data collected?

Google: Raja Miah. A Muslim community leader who will explain everything you need know to educate yourself on, quite possibly, the biggest cover up of gang child abuse in the history of UK politics.

No, I think they mean a church when they say church, so Christians are excluded. I think synagogue, temple and mosque based groups were probably left in. Anything to muddy the waters by removing as many mostly white groups as possible. That sort of statistical manipulation is deceptive and bad journalistic practice.

Is it well meaning naïveté or is it middle class patronising “I know what’s good for you” arrogance ?

As I said earlier, the best indicator of ethnicity or religion will be based on historical and current cases going forward. Now that the lack of action by authorities has been exposed. Hopefully these girls will feel confident to report what was happening and is still going on.

We do quite rightly look at Saville and co as a BBC scandal as it was the common denominator. The same with priests and catholicism. The same with certain schools or childrens homes where the name of the school would be used as to describe abusers.

A church is Christian.
And as I posted, UK Christians are majority white.

Didn’t use the word “everyone”