Grooming gangs being labelled as "Muslim grooming gangs"

[Olga009933]

Why is religious heritage of child sex offenders only mentioned in headlines when the offenders are of south Asian and predominantly Muslim heritage.
Why not just label them as "grooming gangs" or "Asian grooming gangs" (if wanting to be be specific).
Just thinking and wondering about the thousands of white British and presumably non-Muslim sex offenders who make the news. How many of them are labelled "Christian sex attacker" or "Jewish pervert" etc? Why is the religious heritage of a sex offender only mentioned why the offenders are of Muslim background?
If mentioning religion for one particular demographic then surely its only fair to mention the religious heritage of them all?

The difference is that many Muslims see the Coran as the revealed word of God and a guide for living. Most Christians and liberal Jews do not see the bible or the Torah in that way.

no, you are misreading it. It is not removing the white men from the grooming gang data, it is removing abuse carried out in institutional settings such as sports clubs, schools, homes and churches. This leaves a different data set, where the abuse takes a different form, both horrific, but the sheer brutality of the abuse perpetrated at places like Rotherham is of a different order to what is usually seen.

Even before that data is removed - if you want to argue that point (but I still think you are wrong) - the OVERALL stat for men of Pakistani origin involved in CSE is 3.9% - when they represent 2.7% of the population.

“are there groups who are drawn together because of their ethnicity and/or religion who are attacking and raping young girls based on theirs. If so why? Secondly are these groups not being investigated because of fears over being called racist/islamaphobic.”

The answers are no, no and the fears were fabricated excuses intended to inflame racial tensions.

The grooming gangs have already had a full national inquiry into it. We know these answers. The issue is the Tories never implemented the recommendations of the inquiry.

“Lucy Duckworth, Policy Advisor to the The Survivors Trust who helped oversee the country's largest inquiry into child sex abuse, the Indpendent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse - IICA - said the government urgently needed to implement the recommendations of the existing inquiry rather than diverting resources to another investigation.”

“When we talk about grooming gangs, we're referring to organised networks of two or more adults working together to exploit children. This is very different from individual cases of child sexual abuse, but these distinctions are often lost in public debates."

Calls for another inquiry have centered on alleged links between grooming gangs and specific ethnic groups, a narrative Ms Duckworth strongly contested. "The truth is, we don't have the data to say that any one group is more likely to commit these crimes," she said. "Organised networks exist across all institutions-churches, schools, care homes-and they cross all demographics. This crime is pervasive and needs to be addressed as such."
Ms Duckworth was a consultant to seven year, 180 million pound Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse, led by Professor Alexis Jay, which investigated systemic failures prosecuting alleged perpetrators and protecting victims from abuse.
It produced a report that outlined 20 key recommendations. Ms Duckworth stressed that these recommendations, if implemented, could dramatically reduce child sexual exploitation.”

“Despite these recommendations, Ms Duckworth noted that little action has been taken by the government. "The government said it would implement 19 of our 20 recommendations, but progress has stalled. Meanwhile, political grandstanding about new inquiries detracts from the real work that needs to be done."
The debate around grooming gangs has been highly debated in recent weeks, with Home Secretary Kemi Badenoch and high-profile figures like Elon Musk weighing in. In Parliament, the issue has sparked heated exchanges, while Elon Musk's comments calling for action against grooming gangs further inflamed tensions.
Ms Duckworth warned the politicisation is causing harm to survivors. "Survivors have had the courage to share their stories, often at great personal cost. They deserve action, not endless debates or token gestures," she said. "The rhetoric around race and ethnicity risks victim-blaming and discourages others from coming forward. It's not just unhelpful-it's dangerous."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/stop-politicising-grooming-gangs-warns-child-abuse-advocate/ar-AA1xqlzu

Not everyone from Pakistan is Muslim. In fact members of other religions can be particularly inclined to immigrate.

Catholic priests were definitely referred to in terms of their religion. It was right that religion was referred to rather than a cover up. Truth is more important than avoiding causing offence.

Those of us who are Catholic were as horrified and angry by the actions of abusive priests as everyone else and I expect the vast majority of Muslims feel the same sense of horror and anger about Muslims in rape gangs as everyone else.

The most important thing to do when you are speaking about child rape is to make sure you’re accurate and include as much detail as efficiently as possible.
Muslim-Pakistani grooming rape gangs seems suitable imo
People who seek to make things less clear are adding to the problem

This! Love how ‘feminist’ women stay silent on this shit because they want to keep their woke crowns.
Call me whatever you like, but I won’t stand for this shit anymore.

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Grew up in Rotherham. Taught in Rotherham. Supported DV victims in Rotherham.

The fears were not fabricated.

When we see footage or reports of militant islamic groups vocalising their condemnation of all us non followers, is it possible there are militant proponents of other religions espousing equally concerning beliefs? Is it possible they just aren't being exposed or noticed.

It's a genuine thought. I'm open to the possibility things are happening that we don't get to see.

Those are figures for 2023, we're discussing 2024 as per the article as the prosecutions in this scandal pick up pace with more to come.

So, it’s worse to be a victim of a brown nonChristian than a white man who goes to church? Ummm ok.

That 3.9% is not an overall stat, that is the stat for 3/4ths of 2024.
“first three quarters of 2024 - 85% of group-based child abusers were white, while 3.9% were of Pakistani origin.”

Recall please that the white population is 81%. The slight up and down when only looking at 9 months of convictions doesn’t indicate anything worrying regarding our ethnicity being more likely than another.

Yes, this is the point of a further investigation - to gather the relevant data to either prove or disprove the anecdotal evidence. - it is clear that in previous inquiries there was a fear about asking the relevant questions to ensure that the relevant data is gathered.

Yes . There has to be clarity and honesty. The only people who benefit from cover ups are the wrong doers and politicians who want to manipulate the narrative.

My guess would be because the people you are talking about are claiming to go to mosque on a Friday, eating halal meat and proclaiming to be “good Muslim men”, practising the Islamic religion. I would think that religion would also be brought into it if it were a group of church going, supposedly devout Christian men. I don’t think the white British men doing this kind of thing are ever claiming to be “good Christian men.”
I’m not disagreeing with what you’re saying, just I think this is the angle it’s coming from.

I think that they should be called 'racially motivated Muslim gang rape paedophile gangs' as that's a more accurate description.

I am well aware that predominantly does not equal all. That would be why I chose that Word there.
And in this child rape gang case, as far as I can read, the men were majority muslim men, with pakistani heritage - and claimed their crimes were fine because they targetted non-muslim children. Jihad was mentioned too.

Their religion is a huge part of their culture. Their way of interpreting Islam - very problematic.
Others interpret Islam differently and live their lives accordingly.
It is not islamophobic to point out that some Islamic cultures have a hugely problematic behaviour when it comes to women and children. It is a fact.
In this case, the way the men viewed their victims was clearly shaped by their Islamic culture and their interpretation of Islam. I should hope it could bring discussion around those interpretations as they let people justify awful behaviours to themselves.

Don’t you just love it when some middle class woman, who has never stepped into a working class northern market town, wades in and gives their opinion on our life experiences 😆

Perhaps she can’t find anything in her links and quotes because there was a massive cover up….

That the normal people who live round these parts can see with our own eyes and experiences. Bless her. I will happily host her in my home town, one I can no longer visit my families graves in the cemetery alone, for fear of being raped.

Absolutely there are!
The Israeli government and military represent the Torah and the Lord’s Resistance Army in Central & East Africa represent the Bible.

2024 has incomplete data. I wouldn’t advise using partial years to prove anything.

No, that’s not the case.

74% of votes state that the OP is wrong. That's good enough for me. Mumsnetters who live in these areas have far more knowledge than I.

The church based groups don’t use their religion to access victims? That’s a new one.

I don't see why anyone should walk on egg shells around rapists and paedophiles.

Anyone with a functioning brain should know that not all men, regardless of ethnicity or belief are rapists and paedophiles.

But if the facts about these monsters are correct, then it should be published as who they are. White, Asian, Christian, muslim or otherwise. I will never feel sorry for defilers of women and children so why should we beat around the bush at saying who they are?

Only stupid and racist people with zero critical thinking skills will take those headlines and generalise with them. To be racist about it. No amount of headlines will stop those kind of people thinking what they like.

I believe the poster was discussing secular organisations

I guess if the majority of them in a specific group were born or second generation south Asian then what else can they call it? If the gang had equal numbers of people from different countries or racial backgrounds then I'd hope they would not claim it was 'Asian'.
But I guess equally if the majority were not brown skinned then they should call it 'white grooming gangs' if they were reporting it fairly.