Grooming gangs being labelled as "Muslim grooming gangs"

[Olga009933]

Why is religious heritage of child sex offenders only mentioned in headlines when the offenders are of south Asian and predominantly Muslim heritage.
Why not just label them as "grooming gangs" or "Asian grooming gangs" (if wanting to be be specific).
Just thinking and wondering about the thousands of white British and presumably non-Muslim sex offenders who make the news. How many of them are labelled "Christian sex attacker" or "Jewish pervert" etc? Why is the religious heritage of a sex offender only mentioned why the offenders are of Muslim background?
If mentioning religion for one particular demographic then surely its only fair to mention the religious heritage of them all?

It is a fact.
Read the Jay Report

And Dr taj Haregy.
He's gay and campaigns for shared prayer spaces, ex Muslims to pray if they want. He thinks the British Muslim Council is mad and didn't understand why we give them a voice

That is a fair point, but does very much bring up the point that what happens in these communities is far removed from what is expected of all UK citizens, male or female.

How we remove this situation where Women are treated as completely second class citizens among their peers I don't know. It is a sad indictment of these communities leaders and their respect for UK laws and norms.

Ah apologies. Yes I agree the Police can be really scary and many male Police just don't give a shit about women and that's as complex as it gets! I worked with them and some of them working on the sex worker agenda ( London) were the most misogynist, unpalatable men I have encountered.

Alot of this depends where you are and who is backhanding who. In Oldham you're going to suffer greater fall out from the Police reporting a Pakistani Muslim rapust than white non religious Bob as the perpetrator.

In another area, maybe not so. I am not sure at a collective organisation level what the position is and whether this two tier Policing approach is being applied in say leafy Surrey.

@ShirkingFromHome95 what's not clear is, that because of the faith or is because of the education of men and women? Many of these societies seem locked in the middle ages and seem a long way behind us.

https://ova.galencentre.org/an-estimated-7-5-million-women-and-girls-impacted-by-female-genital-cutting-in-malaysia-report/?amp

I'm interested in learning more. Did you post the link for further reading. If there is a reputable source?

@ARealitycheck I agree with that also and until women feel safe and free to call out anything in these communities, they feel free to do whatever they want infact we are living in a two tier society.

Because you were wrong about there not being a risk of harm and the risk only being within that community. You think that women who report rape and abuse within their family are not at risk of being killed? It has happened in white families.

Red = fgm is legal
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Female_genital_mutilation_laws_by_country_map.svg

Yeah but there is a pattern, that some Muslim men, and women, including some of the wives of these men who turned a blind eye and enabled this offending IMO, see non-Muslims as a shit on their shoe.

Enough of them, that thousands of children have been raped. If we don’t talk about a problem or a trend we can’t solve it. Why is it that people of a certain faith are forming networks to systematically rape and abuse children who are not from that faith? Where do these teachings in their faith communities come from?

The London bombings, the terrorists all went to the same mosque together in at least a few evidenced occasions, who know how many times they actually visited, funnily enough in a town where these gangs operate.

It is an important fact about the offending that needs to be reported, not to stir up hate but to allow people to question WHY.

Pakistan can be a horrible place for women, and Muslim countries in general, I was reading something in mainstream news about how a rape attacker was let off from prison because the rape victims brother was allowed to rape the rapists sister.

Barbaric. Do you genuinely think you would be safe travelling alone as an openly none Muslim women in places like Pakistan, Iraq or Iran? Do you think people who live in this country who have very strong ties to family in countries like this and visit regularly not share those views?

Have you ever been a white female child in one of these northern towns? I have name changed since but I gave my experience on the help Bradford thread, a few other women bravely did too.

Please don’t be offended on behalf of all Muslims. I know the vast majority of Muslims are against the grooming gangs, but for the scale of the abuse to have happened far too many are happily accepting and enabling it. So we need to ask WHY.

I grew up in a Muslim country and it’s pretty clear to me that the mentality for many Muslims is 1) a good “clean” woman is a virgin until her wedding night 2) woman who aren’t are “ dirty” and fair game and 3) western women fall mostly into the second category. To be fair, I suspect that other religions / ethnicities hold the same views to varying degrees. But it doesn’t seem to translate into sexual harassment and violence. When you add in an Islamic sense of ideological battle with the west there’s further excuse to dehumanise the victims. And yes, they are sometimes called Islamic grooming gangs because it’s the common denominator. In some gangs, there were non Pakistani men too, Somali, Kurdish if I remember correctly.

I’ve read it. It’s only regarding a few cases with no comparator cases involving gangs of other ethnicities, so it is wrong to take the pathetic excuses offered up by police as to why they ignored victims as a fact.

Came here to say this. It's causing a lot of upset and anger.

That’s not what the map was. They’ve since posted more information, which you have just edited your post to also link. Ta

I'm more concerned with the little girls who were groomed, tortured and gang raped. I don't care who is offended by the descriptions of the vermin that did it.

I hope every single one of them does hard time in prison. That every social worker, police officer and others in power who turned their backs on these girls because they didn't want to offend rots in hell. I wish them the worst possible outcome

This doesn't prove what you think it proves. The statistics show that the pakistani muslim grooming gangs are far out of proportion to the pakistani population of the UK. We are not talking about sexual abuse of children in general, we are talking about grooming gangs operating in a systemic and targeted way. The article you link to says this

"The figure increases for Pakistani offenders to 13.7% if you remove institutional groups, such as sports groups, schools and church-based group offenders, and group child abuse committed in a family setting"

So 13.7% of this type of grooming gang is Pakistani
According to the 2021 census the Pakistani population of the UK is 2.7%

So Pakistani men appear to be 5 times more likely to be members of a grooming gang than if they were behaving in the same way as the rest of the male population.

If all groups of men behaved in the same way then the statistics would pretty much match across all demographics. X % of this ethnicity in the population = X% of this ethnicity represented in the grooming gang stats.

As someone said up thread, if this statistic was Americans we would be saying WTF is going on?

It wasn’t hard to find unless you were determined not to

This was two female detectives. I agree there is a huge issue with misogyny within the force from both females and males. I am near those areas so their attitudes towards women being raped is that they do not matter.

I know what you mean. Grooming gangs are nothing new, they've always been around, different demographics. The Russians are very sophisticated at it all over the world, amongst others; when I was young it was Jamaicans, before that Maltese - and we mustn't forget indigenous British.

It suits some people's agenda to highlight Muslim groups atm, the likes of Robinson and Co.

They forget that it was a Muslim lawyer who achieved so many convictions and helped lots of girls. However it won't stop, someone will always organise such things. It was rife in Victorian and Edwardian times.

A very sad and sordid business.

What also concerns me is that until quite recent times much of the abuse in the Catholic Church was hidden and hadn't properly come out. Not just there but many areas, Jimmy Savile and so on.
When we think how closed some of communities are we can only imagine what not being reported.

Are you from Rotherham?
I am. It was a pretty accurate reflection of my 35 years of experience. I was a school girl there. I was a teacher there. I worked in the domestic abuse victim support sector there.

Of course, I’d love to know why you think yourself more knowledgeable on the topic.

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This is really pertinent and this is where the word ' Asian' is very problematic and provocative. I can see how such a broad terminology describing origin is not useful at all. I support the use of Pakistani Muslim rape gang terminology.

I would say Muslim, some of the people convicted are white and Bangladeshi. As far as I know all of them identified as being Muslim, even the white ones