Grooming gangs being labelled as "Muslim grooming gangs"

[Olga009933]

Why is religious heritage of child sex offenders only mentioned in headlines when the offenders are of south Asian and predominantly Muslim heritage.
Why not just label them as "grooming gangs" or "Asian grooming gangs" (if wanting to be be specific).
Just thinking and wondering about the thousands of white British and presumably non-Muslim sex offenders who make the news. How many of them are labelled "Christian sex attacker" or "Jewish pervert" etc? Why is the religious heritage of a sex offender only mentioned why the offenders are of Muslim background?
If mentioning religion for one particular demographic then surely its only fair to mention the religious heritage of them all?

That's not what I'm saying. That is what you have deduced from my post.

I worked with the Police as a civilian and yes I agree entirely that being a victim of a sex crime isn't necessarily treated with the seriousness, attention and search for justice it deserves where there are white non religious perpetrators.

It has never been part of Islam either. Its a tribal cultural practice, a few Eastern African countries practice it I think but it has no place in Islam.

That Sidney attacker people were saying he looks Muslim. Being Muslim isn't a race and he wasn't even Muslim.

That NHS nurse that was attacked in Oldham they were ranting about immigrants when they found out his name. But the nurse he stabbed was also Asian. A perfect example of a good imigrant and bad imigrant and the majority are good.

Your dislike seems rather irrational.

I have not encountered a significant amount of Muslim individuals.

I did not ever have conversations to the depth of exploring views and beliefs in relation to the Qur'an.

I recall one lady I worked with was Muslim. She was lovely and we got on well.

I find Islam more threatening to me as a female.

If it is so threatening, why are thousands of British women converting to Islam every year?

Unknown. There is no national prevalence data for Malaysia. Several studies have documented female genital cutting (FGC) across the provinces of Kelantan, Penang, Selangor, Kedah and Johor.

Your link literally says this and then statistics about Malaysia are being thrown around. The statistics you are throwing around don't take into account the high rates of non-residents in these countries from poorer backgrounds.

I work in an adjoining clinic and sometimes cover the sexual assault clinic. Until you’ve had a 14 year old telling you how they were blindfolded and forced to give 10 Muslim men in a row a blowjob I’d hold judgement. Of course it’s not all Muslim men- but it’s a thing.

It is legal in Malaysia. They took their statistics from various studies.

There are a lot of medical research reports regarding FGM … this in Malaysia…. 20% of Drs do it. Another local midwives do it - beliefs in rural areas that it is required by Islam.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7591112/

We all know it’s done because they believe removing clitoris kills sensation, thus “preventing” women from wanting sex. We have good girls who marry cousins. All good girls keeping our family wealthy, no chance she has a love baby.

In fact. It’s legal in Kuwait, Malaysia AND Qatar.

They usually convert because of a man! Most don’t understand all the religion entails, or the status of women in Islam. That’s evident when you listen to their ‘testimonies’ it’s a foolish argument to state “if it’s so bad why do people join it”, you didn’t think that argument through. Instead read the doctrines, the Quran and especially the hadiths, that is where you will learn the truth about Islam, not from a few brainwashed ignorant women on YouTube, neither by any statistic of conversions to Islam.

I’m more wondering why they are called ‘grooming’ gangs when in reality they were/ are rape/ sexual abuse gangs. What they did / are doing goes way beyond grooming.

"It's the women and girls who 'look' most Muslim, as the Islamic dress of many is recognisable. "

Many Muslim men can also dress in a recognisable way. I don't know if the rape gang members did.

I'm afraid I'm all out of fucks about pussyfooting around the facts. They are Muslim, it's an important part of what has happened. Doesn't mean all Muslims do this shit, any more than all Catholics abuse small children.

Actually, the victims want nothing to do with their trauma being used to fuel Islamaphobia or racism:
”The recent debates on Pakistani grooming gangs has "marginalised victims", said Assistant Chief Constable Becky Riggs, the NPCC's lead for child protection and abuse investigation….”…recent headlines will have caused "victims to relive their crimes", and that it's important to address "all the threats from all races and ethnicities".

”Gabrielle Shaw, chief executive for the National Association for People Abused in Childhood, who also attended the news conference, said: "The weaponisation of people's trauma is reprehensible. Someone's trauma should not be used to score political points, or as clickbait."

The Catholic abuse scandals are strictly related to religious institutions (churches, schools run by the Catholic church).

This abuse is, as far as I know has been reported, not linked to any religious institutes. No mosques or imams or islamic schools were institutionally involved.

'Muslim' is being used as shorthand for brown men who hate women. It's absurd and inappropriate.

I believe part of the issue with these grooming gangs is that the same communities these men came from, did not stand up and say what they are doing is not acceptable.

If anything, even now these communities are asking for enquiries not to take place as it may bring negative press to them. Then on the other side we have the likes of Tommy Robinson saying enquiries into how it took place, and for so long being slated as right wing and inflamatory.

In my mind a full unabashed enquiry into all aspects of it is the very opposite of racist. It will expose prejudices from all factors, police, social work, childrens homes as well as mosques and the wider muslim community. Those who didn't do as they should for these poor girls, should be rightly exposed.

I think they got hanged back in 2020.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-51969961

I wonder why you’re so exercised about the word Muslim. Have you read any of the court transcripts? No thought not.

These aren’t grooming gangs; that’s a euphemism. They are rape/torture and pimp gangs.

This is a prime example of the failed model of multi culturalism and mass immigration and the liberal left’s stubborn refusal to accept their social experiment has failed,

Anyone who accepts these vile gangs are repulsive but follows that with a BUT is a degenerate.

Did anyone see the stuff about Milan new years attac

It could be seen as irrational based on the fact that I on a personal level don't have to deal with individuals with archaic views based in the teachings of the Qur'an.

With regards to the women converting, absolutely no idea what that's about. Do these women have any idea what the holy book espouses. Are they in agreement with this I wonder. How can they possibly be ok with that. Or is it possible they really don't have a clue and haven't even read it. I can believe that. I will read the article posted here about this conversion because I'm intrigued, yet, my initial thoughts are oh no. Because I don't want any more women buying into that.

Catholic abusers are called that because they got away with child rape using their cultural identity as a shield against prosecution.

Ditto public-school paedos. One abuser in the C of E just caused the downfall of the Archbishop of Canterbury for same reason.

Same as the Bradford lot. Most people see identity politics as a way to work for progress to stop child rape, not as a way to take personal offence.

I wonder in some areas there is more segregation if women and men, so when they start to live here it's extraordinary for them?

They can't control themselves

You’ve quoted some professional’s opinions there. Both who tried to down play the fact the ethnicity of the perpetrators these crimes were integral to them being able to continue to rape and torture young girls for decades upon decades. Which, is at least consistent.

How about the actual victims? Try starting with Sammy Woodhouse.

I saw it today, absolutely awful. A British teenage student sexually assaulted by 30 Bangladeshi men in a planned attack.

Not all men.
Not all Asian men.
Not all Muslim men.
Not all Muslim Pakistani men.

But most of the perpetrators were.

Not all girls.
Not all white girls.
Not all socially-excluded white girls.

But most of victims were.

Not all public services.
Not all place-specific public services.

But in lots of places, public services did not do enough.