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Grooming gangs being labelled as "Muslim grooming gangs"

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Olga009933 · 19/01/2025 17:48

Why is religious heritage of child sex offenders only mentioned in headlines when the offenders are of south Asian and predominantly Muslim heritage.
Why not just label them as "grooming gangs" or "Asian grooming gangs" (if wanting to be be specific).
Just thinking and wondering about the thousands of white British and presumably non-Muslim sex offenders who make the news. How many of them are labelled "Christian sex attacker" or "Jewish pervert" etc? Why is the religious heritage of a sex offender only mentioned why the offenders are of Muslim background?
If mentioning religion for one particular demographic then surely its only fair to mention the religious heritage of them all?

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SomethingSScintillating · 19/01/2025 20:40

Church of England a phobia when we were all berating arch bishop Justin wellby?
Catholic a phobia over the years with the many scandal over churches and choirs, boarding schools etc??

whippy1981 · 19/01/2025 20:41

TENSsion · 19/01/2025 19:57

Do you fear the repercussions from your OWN family for reporting your abuse?

I know my own family will blame me as most victims do.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 19/01/2025 20:42

BetjemanFan · 19/01/2025 17:56

Please educate yourself, it sounds like you haven’t looked into how these groups operated at all.

Says the poster who thinks “spiked” is a reputable source.

Yassnass145 · 19/01/2025 20:42

Porridgeislife · 19/01/2025 20:36

Ah yes, those countries famously known for democracy and high levels of personal freedom
for women and minorities.

Have you ever met any women from these countries? They are highly educated women with amazing lifestyles.

whippy1981 · 19/01/2025 20:43

SomethingSScintillating · 19/01/2025 20:10

@whippy1981 I think you missed the point there. There are often either marriages within a family eg cousins or very close marriages and communities are tight knit.
Someone trying to report their own cousin or uncle whose also their whatever is harder than reporting someone with no or few ties.

It is hard no matter what. You think it is easy to report if they are not relatives? You are very much mistaken if you think so.

TENSsion · 19/01/2025 20:43

whippy1981 · 19/01/2025 20:41

I know my own family will blame me as most victims do.

No. I mean, do you think there is a credible risk to your life from your own family purely because you reported this?

Tittat50 · 19/01/2025 20:44

JayJayEl · 19/01/2025 20:30

That may not be "hatred" in your mind, but it is downright ignorant. Have you ever even know a Muslim? Have you lived and worked in Muslim communities? Have you ever had an actual conversation with a Muslim?
As a white woman who spent years living and working in a (predominantly) Muslim community all I can say is that true Muslims are good, kind, caring, generous people. In the same way good Christians are.

I believe that wholeheartedly there are decent kind individuals following a particular religion. Why is it problematic to dislike the holy book the Quran and what it espouses in the name of Islam?

I have not encountered a significant amount of Muslim individuals. Only whilst living in London did I work with and support individuals who were Muslim. I did not ever have conversations to the depth of exploring views and beliefs in relation to the Qur'an. I recall one lady I worked with was Muslim. She was lovely and we got on well.

Despite all this, I still dislike Islam. I dislike religion full stop. I find Islam more threatening to me as a female. This could be illogical and disproportionate as in my lifetime in my personal sphere, it may never impact me. If I was living in another area, I'm sure I'd find this very problematic and difficult.

TENSsion · 19/01/2025 20:45

Yassnass145 · 19/01/2025 20:42

Have you ever met any women from these countries? They are highly educated women with amazing lifestyles.

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All of them? Even the ones who have endured FGM and forced marriage?

ARealitycheck · 19/01/2025 20:45

Yassnass145 · 19/01/2025 20:33

Qatar, Kuwait, Malaysia???

Behave! Qatar doesn't even recognise violence or rape within marriage as a crime. Kuwait doesn't even recognise some indigenous women as being kuwaiti.

Yassnass145 · 19/01/2025 20:45

Beeloux · 19/01/2025 20:38

Three counties where FGM is legal? 🤔Think that says it all.

It isn't legal? They don't have specific laws for it and classify it under physical abuse laws.

They don't have specific laws because it isn't practiced in these countries.

whippy1981 · 19/01/2025 20:45

Tittat50 · 19/01/2025 20:11

Yes I agree all rapists and sex offenders are dangerous. The danger to the victim posed by the rapist as an individual is not necessarily different in any case. In one scenario however, you'll potentially deal with the added pressure from Police and other services ( education, social services) to shut up and put up based on the perpetrator being of a particular ethnicity and religion. The added fall out is this that I'm referring to. This I believe is more likely in certain communication and not across the board in the UK.

And equally, I believe if you're a young black man in London, you're more likely to be stopped by the Police than a white peer . I can also believe you'd be given a harsher sentence because of this. I don't know how bad that outcome is here in the UK; in America certainly so.

All these things can be true.

Police do that to victims of white men too. I have experienced this from police as they do not support victims well and often blame them and harm them themselves. So to think that the police support victims of white men is not so.

Loub1987 · 19/01/2025 20:45

Yassnass145 · 19/01/2025 20:26

I'm sorry but crime rates in Muslim countries of similar wealth to the UK are so incredibly low. These countries are exceptionally safe for women,

I imagine it’s probably not reported.

TENSsion · 19/01/2025 20:47

Yassnass145 · 19/01/2025 20:45

It isn't legal? They don't have specific laws for it and classify it under physical abuse laws.

They don't have specific laws because it isn't practiced in these countries.

Just 38% in Kuwait…

Grooming gangs being labelled as "Muslim grooming gangs"
whippy1981 · 19/01/2025 20:47

TENSsion · 19/01/2025 20:43

No. I mean, do you think there is a credible risk to your life from your own family purely because you reported this?

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Who knows? I do not know the risks. There is a risk to my life because I have reported it. It has been threatened.

Mannymoomin · 19/01/2025 20:48

You’re not wrong OP. IMO they should be referred to as Pakistani grooming gangs, these men aren’t Muslim in any sense of the word. It’s akin to assuming a white person living in England is Christian.

It’s also really sad to see how many people are confusing religion with culture, even saying Islamic culture. The two are worlds apart, Islam is not a culture, women have many rights, divorce is encouraged in Islam if a relationship is unhealthy. Yet a divorced Muslim woman is frowned upon in many Muslim countries , sorry to go off topic, just pointing out that religion and culture are so often confused as being the same, and it doesn’t help with the massive divide we have.

Yassnass145 · 19/01/2025 20:48

TENSsion · 19/01/2025 20:47

Just 38% in Kuwait…

Can you please site this study because that is simply false and the UN says otherwise.

Beeloux · 19/01/2025 20:48

Yassnass145 · 19/01/2025 20:45

It isn't legal? They don't have specific laws for it and classify it under physical abuse laws.

They don't have specific laws because it isn't practiced in these countries.

It certainly is practised in these countries along with many other Islamic ones.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 19/01/2025 20:49

Betchyaby · 19/01/2025 18:56

Fucking hell, the amount of people who don't understand per capita is shocking.

You included. The real data shows that there is no ethnicity or religion in the U.K. that is more likely to be a rape gang member.

TENSsion · 19/01/2025 20:49

Yassnass145 · 19/01/2025 20:45

It isn't legal? They don't have specific laws for it and classify it under physical abuse laws.

They don't have specific laws because it isn't practiced in these countries.

And only 53% in Malaysia…

Grooming gangs being labelled as "Muslim grooming gangs"
Cunningfungus · 19/01/2025 20:50

Yassnass145 · 19/01/2025 20:37

My point is the problem is with men from all ethnicities, religions, ages and status. It is a male problem and focusing the problem of a specific religion detracts from the overall issue.

If we have a society where even the police can rape women and cover it up then we really have failed haven't we.

Yes society is failing women - massively from all angles.

But the Muslim rape gangs need to be dealt with now as a stand alone issue. There is a culture there that cannot be unlearnt.

These Muslim men (Pakistan, India) despise women/girls and see them as being equal to rats - I listened to an interview with an Indian man who raped and killed a child (BBC I think, around the time of the gang rape and murder of the physiotherapist student on the Delhi bus) and he said that he couldn’t really understand why he was in jail as his victim was “a beggar girl, her life was worthless” were his exact words.

This is a quote from an Indian politician around the time;
“Last month, the head of Uttar Pradesh's governing party told an election rally that the party was opposed to the law calling for gang rapists to be executed. "Boys will be boys," Mulayam Singh Yadav said. "They make mistakes."

Cities are becoming ghettos and we are still having 1000s of young, male, Muslim men from various nations coming to the UK. I’m honestly not sure what the solution is but I fear it will get worse.

TENSsion · 19/01/2025 20:50

whippy1981 · 19/01/2025 20:47

Who knows? I do not know the risks. There is a risk to my life because I have reported it. It has been threatened.

By your own family?

Olga009933 · 19/01/2025 20:50

Permafrosty · 19/01/2025 20:37

I don’t know if you are being purposefully ignorant here. Its because some of the convicted men’s own defence they use their interpretation of their religion as a reason to do it.

We are talking about thousands of girls involved here, it’s systematic and they see these girls as lesser than because of their religious beliefs.

That's just it. Their interpretation. Based on their ideas rather than any facts or as anything found in any scripture. No Islam itself, but their twisted interpretation. How many awful and evil things happen in the world because of twisted and hideously distorted interpretation of religion? Not only Islam too. The perpetrators of 9/11 would want you to be believe they were doing a noble act in the Islam. Were they though? Of course not. Israeli war criminals would claim to be representative of Jews. Of course they're not. The fact they increasing numbers of Jews are saying not in our nane is a strong testament to this.

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Cyclebabble · 19/01/2025 20:51

Beeloux · 19/01/2025 20:38

Three counties where FGM is legal? 🤔Think that says it all.

This thread demonstrates considerable ignorance. I was born in Malaysian, I am ethnically Indian so not Muslim. FGM is illegal in Malaysia. It has never been part of Malaysian culture.

TENSsion · 19/01/2025 20:51

Yassnass145 · 19/01/2025 20:48

Can you please site this study because that is simply false and the UN says otherwise.

https://www.forwarduk.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Forward-FGM-Prevalence-Map-2019-WEB-1.pdf

https://www.forwarduk.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Forward-FGM-Prevalence-Map-2019-WEB-1.pdf

TENSsion · 19/01/2025 20:52

Cyclebabble · 19/01/2025 20:51

This thread demonstrates considerable ignorance. I was born in Malaysian, I am ethnically Indian so not Muslim. FGM is illegal in Malaysia. It has never been part of Malaysian culture.

www.orchidproject.org/about-fgc/where-does-fgc-happen/malaysia/

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