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Grooming gangs being labelled as "Muslim grooming gangs"

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Olga009933 · 19/01/2025 17:48

Why is religious heritage of child sex offenders only mentioned in headlines when the offenders are of south Asian and predominantly Muslim heritage.
Why not just label them as "grooming gangs" or "Asian grooming gangs" (if wanting to be be specific).
Just thinking and wondering about the thousands of white British and presumably non-Muslim sex offenders who make the news. How many of them are labelled "Christian sex attacker" or "Jewish pervert" etc? Why is the religious heritage of a sex offender only mentioned why the offenders are of Muslim background?
If mentioning religion for one particular demographic then surely its only fair to mention the religious heritage of them all?

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MaloryJones · 19/01/2025 19:57

Meadowfinch · 19/01/2025 18:15

Because the vast majority of them were /are of Pakistani heritage and Muslim. Pretending not to notice that, or not mentioning it for PC reasons is why they got away with it for so long.

It was happening when I went to uni in London in the 80s. Walking home to the halls of residence it was always the Pakistani taxi drivers who made our lives a misery.

Sorry but I'm not prepared to airbrush that fact out.
And I fully recognise that there are child abusers in the CoE and the Catholic Church, I am no fan of any organised religion, but the scale of systematic offending by Pakistani men working in packs was/is off the scale.

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Really well said

TENSsion · 19/01/2025 19:57

whippy1981 · 19/01/2025 19:54

Sex offenders have a lot of support. Yes it is endorsed by the communities hence why there are so many cases where the child is blamed and the men get off scott free. Damn even the justice system has been changed to support these men!

I have seen incidences of women beaten and killed by white perpetrators who were supported by the local white community. I am one such individual who suffers from that abuse. So to suggest this is not happening to white victims is not the truth.

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Do you fear the repercussions from your OWN family for reporting your abuse?

Twiney2 · 19/01/2025 19:57

whippy1981 · 19/01/2025 19:56

All cultures do this.

Every single one? Really?

weirdoboelady · 19/01/2025 19:57

Olga009933 · 19/01/2025 17:59

This proves my point. Yes, it's fair to describe these offenders as Pakistani if that's what they are... Not sure how religion plays a part or fits into their ethnic or racial demographic though.

Perhaps this will help. Pakistan was created to partition India into Muslim and Hindu countries. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-62467438

Indian and Pakistani troops lower flags together in a ceremony at the Wagah border crossing near Amritsar

Partition: Why was British India divided 75 years ago?

Britain left India 75 years ago and the country became two separate states, India and Pakistan.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-62467438

Hoppingabout · 19/01/2025 19:57

Olga009933 · 19/01/2025 19:54

I'm from a Muslim community where all the girls are white (Chechen). Yes, we are "white girls".

You are from a Chechen Muslim background. We are talking mainly about perpetrators from a Pakistani Muslim background.

For example if there were huge national gangs of American Christian rapists roaming the UK picking out Muslim girls because they were not Christian, do you think the fact that they were mostly American would be relevant or not relevant to pinpointing who might have committed the crimes.

yy99 · 19/01/2025 19:57

There is nothing wrong with calling it exactly what it is.

Catholic paedophile priests were called exactly that.

Facts are facts.

Monsterstogo · 19/01/2025 19:58

We need to know the perpetrators were Muslim because we need to know why this happened and that there is eventual justice and to stop it happening again.

We should be focused on protecting the victims and not ‘covering up’ religion,or any form of establishment, to prevent justice. Look at the Postal Scandal, haemophilia victims etc.

We called out Catholic abuse and we have a right to the victims to call out the abuse that was perpetrated onto them by Muslim men.

Keepingittogetherstepbystep · 19/01/2025 19:58

Tintackedsea · 19/01/2025 19:48

Since when were the police or authorities bothered about being perceived as racist?!

This is about misogyny and classism. These lassies weren't important because they were poor and female. If they'd been poor boys this wouldn't have happened; rich? Big, big trouble. The authorities didn't give a shit because no one goes out to bat for wee lassies. They were "asking for it" or "encouraging the men" or "choosing" to be with these men.

Oh they were bothered about being perceived as racist. When I was racially abused along with a load bucket load of misogyny, the police sergeant i spoke to told told me it was in my best interest to just ignore it otherwise my parents would face the repercussions. His advice just don't visit your parents, so helpful.

Sadly this country is a mess, crimes aren't recorded correctly so statistics don't mean a great deal. All crimes against children are abhorrent regardless of who is committing them. Obviously it would be better if there was no crimes against children but when there is better better data recording would help identify where there are patterns that can be addressed.

Pin3martin · 19/01/2025 19:58

andIsaid · 19/01/2025 19:47

@Pin3martin I am so sorry that happened your child and your family.

I truly cannot imagine it and wish you and yours the best as you try to repair and recover.

I do not believe that people only think in terms of this Muslim gang, or that Catholic Church thing.

We deal with things as and when they pop up. We have to.

And when they have common features then that should also be reported.

Now for example, families will pay more attention to who their young ones are hanging around with. Or, they will not have blind faith that the local priest is of good character, or that the scout leaders are excellent men, and so on.

As most of us are run ragged trying to live a life, the press and clear reporting can give us the resources we need to stop and minute and question.

Except white grooming gangs don’t seem to make the media. Look at this thread. White grooming gangs = the Catholic Church and Epstein. The Muslim witch hunt just adds to it and causes a feeling of distance and it could never happen to my child. Well yes it could as white grooming gangs are targeting any child they can and they know how to do it with little difficulty. How many media stories have you read about white grooming gangs given the ever increasing numbers?

Jingleballs2 · 19/01/2025 19:59

Twiney2 · 19/01/2025 19:56

Wrong 😂

Obviously not the oes interviewed, but I'd bet the vast majority

Beeloux · 19/01/2025 20:00

Olga009933 · 19/01/2025 19:54

I'm from a Muslim community where all the girls are white (Chechen). Yes, we are "white girls".

I should have worded that as white non Muslim woman.

Upstartled · 19/01/2025 20:00

yy99 · 19/01/2025 19:57

There is nothing wrong with calling it exactly what it is.

Catholic paedophile priests were called exactly that.

Facts are facts.

Yes, I don't remember a wall of all, 'religions can hide paedophilic shits,' whattaboutery to diffuse the glare on the failings in the Catholic faith and how our safeguarding responsibilities were disabled through cowardice.

NeelyOHara1 · 19/01/2025 20:01

It's a business model.

Olga009933 · 19/01/2025 20:01

Seems a lot of people have some very rigid, preconceived ideas of what a Muslim should look like. I remember not long after starting school in the UK, being met with gasps, stares, pointing and whispering from my peers when it became known I'm Muslim. I'd probably mentioned eid or something and they were like "but you don't Look Pakistani..". Had to explain till I was blue in face that Pakistan is just one of dozens of Muslim countries and that, yes, some Muslim countries have white population. It got tedious and tiring.

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TENSsion · 19/01/2025 20:02

Aryahpuff · 19/01/2025 19:59

To all the people saying almost all perpetrators are Pakistani or Muslim.

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/wrong-to-say-group-based-child-abuse-is-predominantly-committed-by-pakistani-men-police-chiefs-13286550

Got to love the blatant racism and Islamaphobia on here as per usual.

Are you really highlighting how few of these monsters have been brought to justice as a defence?

TENSsion · 19/01/2025 20:03

Olga009933 · 19/01/2025 20:01

Seems a lot of people have some very rigid, preconceived ideas of what a Muslim should look like. I remember not long after starting school in the UK, being met with gasps, stares, pointing and whispering from my peers when it became known I'm Muslim. I'd probably mentioned eid or something and they were like "but you don't Look Pakistani..". Had to explain till I was blue in face that Pakistan is just one of dozens of Muslim countries and that, yes, some Muslim countries have white population. It got tedious and tiring.

I had a friend who went to work in Japan. The kids she taught could not believe her hair was naturally red. They constantly asked to touch it.

Tittat50 · 19/01/2025 20:05

@Aryahpuff who said that? No one said that. I understand all of us are agreeing that abuse is occurring across all sectors.

Outwardly expressing concern with the teaching of religions and their religious books is something we should freely do. I'm happy to say that. Calling people Islamaphobic because of that is just another attempt at silencing.

I find Catholicism unpalatable and concerning on multiple levels. Christened Roman Catholic myself! A very questionable history of abuse associated with the Catholic Church.

Beeloux · 19/01/2025 20:05

Olga009933 · 19/01/2025 20:01

Seems a lot of people have some very rigid, preconceived ideas of what a Muslim should look like. I remember not long after starting school in the UK, being met with gasps, stares, pointing and whispering from my peers when it became known I'm Muslim. I'd probably mentioned eid or something and they were like "but you don't Look Pakistani..". Had to explain till I was blue in face that Pakistan is just one of dozens of Muslim countries and that, yes, some Muslim countries have white population. It got tedious and tiring.

Actually my son is half Palestinian with blonde hair, fair skin and green eyes so I know very well that there are many white Muslims.

That doesn’t change the fact that it was common knowledge that white European non-Muslim woman were seen as promiscuous by many in the Muslim country I lived in. It also doesn’t change the fact that countries such as Iraq have an age of consent of just 9.

Hoppingabout · 19/01/2025 20:06

Aryahpuff · 19/01/2025 19:59

To all the people saying almost all perpetrators are Pakistani or Muslim.

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/wrong-to-say-group-based-child-abuse-is-predominantly-committed-by-pakistani-men-police-chiefs-13286550

Got to love the blatant racism and Islamaphobia on here as per usual.

I don't think anyone on here is saying all abuse is committed by Pakistani Muslim men.

What has happened is a vast national mass rape of girls of hundreds of thousands in the UK over 50 years by Pakistani Muslim men and that it was not dealt with by the authorities because the perpetrators were Pakistani Muslims.

On the basis the "#me too" movement highlighted among other things, offences such as a hand on a knee I think the victims of mass rape and torture deserve a bit of clear thinking on this without fear or favour and without muddying the waters.

MumWifeOther · 19/01/2025 20:06

Olga009933 · 19/01/2025 17:48

Why is religious heritage of child sex offenders only mentioned in headlines when the offenders are of south Asian and predominantly Muslim heritage.
Why not just label them as "grooming gangs" or "Asian grooming gangs" (if wanting to be be specific).
Just thinking and wondering about the thousands of white British and presumably non-Muslim sex offenders who make the news. How many of them are labelled "Christian sex attacker" or "Jewish pervert" etc? Why is the religious heritage of a sex offender only mentioned why the offenders are of Muslim background?
If mentioning religion for one particular demographic then surely its only fair to mention the religious heritage of them all?

Because it’s divisive.

Banyon · 19/01/2025 20:07

andIsaid · 19/01/2025 19:54

Where is everyone calling for the Catholic community to denounce the actions of some bad Catholic priests? Nowhere, because Catholics are usually white,

This is not true.

Look back at the headlines, the tv news coverage, the comedy shows, the slagging off that Catholic leaders got and the repeated questions and demands that they denounce the church and its leaders.

It is utter crud to say that did not happen and to conflate that with their color.

Also note in terms of Catholics - you cannot be Catholic and be PM in the Uk. you also cannot be Catholic and be King/Queen.

The Muslim community is not being targeted in this instance.

Catholic Church was held accountable (reluctantly), paid out a lot of damages and was basically cancelled in some communities. Lost many many parishioners.

Many many of the faith, showed disgust and saw the hypocrisy & did not support the criminals.
The community reacted.
Many were pursued for years as the hid to avoid public

Atlasvue · 19/01/2025 20:08

andIsaid · 19/01/2025 19:54

Where is everyone calling for the Catholic community to denounce the actions of some bad Catholic priests? Nowhere, because Catholics are usually white,

This is not true.

Look back at the headlines, the tv news coverage, the comedy shows, the slagging off that Catholic leaders got and the repeated questions and demands that they denounce the church and its leaders.

It is utter crud to say that did not happen and to conflate that with their color.

Also note in terms of Catholics - you cannot be Catholic and be PM in the Uk. you also cannot be Catholic and be King/Queen.

The Muslim community is not being targeted in this instance.

Also the crimes committed by the catholic priests, were against the catholic community and their children. They are the victims of this crime.

The offences committed by the Muslim grooming gangs, were not against the Muslim community and their children. Young white, culturally Christian children were the victims.

Therefore the fallout for each community will be different and they can’t be compared.

Hoppingabout · 19/01/2025 20:08

Olga009933 · 19/01/2025 20:01

Seems a lot of people have some very rigid, preconceived ideas of what a Muslim should look like. I remember not long after starting school in the UK, being met with gasps, stares, pointing and whispering from my peers when it became known I'm Muslim. I'd probably mentioned eid or something and they were like "but you don't Look Pakistani..". Had to explain till I was blue in face that Pakistan is just one of dozens of Muslim countries and that, yes, some Muslim countries have white population. It got tedious and tiring.

We are talking about Pakistani Muslim men not Chechen Muslim women. It's not about you. It's about what the victims have suffering at their hands.

Blarn · 19/01/2025 20:09

I think it makes the issue seem like it is restricted to Muslims or men from Pakistan. Although it is clear that a lot of these gangs were of Pakistani origin, it would be dangerous to think that there are not men from other cultures and from all over the world are involved in similar.

I also think we need to move on from grooming gangs. The girls were groomed, but then they were raped and suffered child sexual abuse. But these cases go back to when descriptions like child pornography and child prostitutes were still being used in the media.

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