Grooming gangs being labelled as "Muslim grooming gangs"

[Olga009933]

Why is religious heritage of child sex offenders only mentioned in headlines when the offenders are of south Asian and predominantly Muslim heritage.
Why not just label them as "grooming gangs" or "Asian grooming gangs" (if wanting to be be specific).
Just thinking and wondering about the thousands of white British and presumably non-Muslim sex offenders who make the news. How many of them are labelled "Christian sex attacker" or "Jewish pervert" etc? Why is the religious heritage of a sex offender only mentioned why the offenders are of Muslim background?
If mentioning religion for one particular demographic then surely its only fair to mention the religious heritage of them all?

I didn't articulate myself well. Those reporting or supporting those reporting against Pakistani Muslim men are going to be shut down more readily than if a white perpetrator was accused, I strongly believe. Professionals have had their jobs threatened, people have been paid off for their silence in cases involving certain groups in particular communities. To think that teachers have lost jobs, gone into hiding and had death threats for criticising anything to do with the religion. This ' protection ' and outrage is certainly extended to the individual men committing crimes.

I think the Authorities don't go out their way to support victims of abuse full stop, yet, the fall out where a spotlight is placed on the above group in certain communities will be far greater than if the accusation was against white non religious Bob down the road.

Just look at Iraq where the age of consent has been lowered to NINE. Child marriages are much more common in Islamic countries.

I’ve worked in an Islamic country where white woman are seen as ‘fun’ and easy by locals. Up until recently, rape victims could be prosecuted for premarital sex.

Not on a vast organised national scale with hundreds of thousands of victims ignored by the authorities for fear of being called racist. It is different.

Incidentally I am not trying to minimise paedophilia and torture committed by anyone else. I just think it's important to highlight the distinguishing features in this case so it can be properly tackled and never happen again on such a monumental scale.

@Pin3martin I am so sorry that happened your child and your family.

I truly cannot imagine it and wish you and yours the best as you try to repair and recover.

I do not believe that people only think in terms of this Muslim gang, or that Catholic Church thing.

We deal with things as and when they pop up. We have to.

And when they have common features then that should also be reported.

Now for example, families will pay more attention to who their young ones are hanging around with. Or, they will not have blind faith that the local priest is of good character, or that the scout leaders are excellent men, and so on.

As most of us are run ragged trying to live a life, the press and clear reporting can give us the resources we need to stop and minute and question.

Yes. Those poor public school alumni and the discrimination they face. I feel for them I do. Just awful how they are treated.

Since when were the police or authorities bothered about being perceived as racist?!

This is about misogyny and classism. These lassies weren't important because they were poor and female. If they'd been poor boys this wouldn't have happened; rich? Big, big trouble. The authorities didn't give a shit because no one goes out to bat for wee lassies. They were "asking for it" or "encouraging the men" or "choosing" to be with these men.

You misunderstood my point regarding education. I meant education of the perpetrators or community from which the perpetrators mainly came from.

Maybe. But you underestimate the support they have. The (few) men who were sentenced for these crimes had huge support. Their families shouting “slag” etc at the young victims giving evidence. The white perpetrators might be just as violent, but it is not endorsed by their communities.

When I worked with victims of domestic abuse, if someone came in and was the victim of a Pakistani/ Muslim man, we would have to immediately anonymise their file. No professionals would be allowed to know their details, only the situation and risk. They would be referenced by a serial number at MARAC meetings.

This was because there had been instances of professionals such as police officers and social workers sharing the information they had with other men at the Mosque and within the community. Women would be punished by THEIR OWN FATHERS AND BROTHERS as well as those of the perpetrators’. They would be “sent to Pakistan” or beaten and, on occasion killed, because they were seen to have betrayed their religion and community by reporting their abuse.

That is not the case. All rapists are dangerous and ppl who support victims are threatened etc. Bob down the road will ensure his friends are part of the intimidation as white men do to their victims and supporters. Bob is just as dangerous and will ensure intimidation of such victims and their supporters hence why we have witness protection systems.

All rapists will do what they can to intimidate, harm and punish those who support victims. Bob is just as dangerous.

LABOUR councillors and politicians deliberately put a block on investigations because they needed the votes and still are.

Pakistan became a country for the Muslim Indians after ww2. The geographic areas of Pakistan and (now) Bangladesh were separated from the geographical area of the Indian State because of the inability of people from the two major religions to form a society.
India = predominantly hindu
Pakistan = predominantly muslim.

So what should we have called the Catholic Priest paedo rings then. Men from various backgrounds working in the church of no particular description?

Also, social care and safeguarding are as good as useless when it’s in schools, or care.
They work together to make sure everything looks like “no problems here” victims usually get no support or justice.

@Twiney2 Has your opinion changed on the relevance of their religion possibly being partially responsible due to the horrendous verses regarding taking slaves, raping slaves and conquering non believers? Or will you continue to act like that doesn't matter and there is no connection as to why white girls specifically were targeted.

Yes, probably poor women who have falled for Muslim men that have convinced them they need to become Muslim for their family to accept the relationship 🤣

Exactly this

I'm from a Muslim community where all the girls are white (Chechen). Yes, we are "white girls".

Where is everyone calling for the Catholic community to denounce the actions of some bad Catholic priests? Nowhere, because Catholics are usually white,

This is not true.

Look back at the headlines, the tv news coverage, the comedy shows, the slagging off that Catholic leaders got and the repeated questions and demands that they denounce the church and its leaders.

It is utter crud to say that did not happen and to conflate that with their color.

Also note in terms of Catholics - you cannot be Catholic and be PM in the Uk. you also cannot be Catholic and be King/Queen.

The Muslim community is not being targeted in this instance.

Sex offenders have a lot of support. Yes it is endorsed by the communities hence why there are so many cases where the child is blamed and the men get off scott free. Damn even the justice system has been changed to support these men!

I have seen incidences of women beaten and killed by white perpetrators who were supported by the local white community. I am one such individual who suffers from that abuse. So to suggest this is not happening to white victims is not the truth.

The claim that abusers harboured feelings of racial superiority over their white victims doesn’t even need to be deduced from a collage of alleged quotes and behaviours — the leader of the Rochdale grooming gang, Shabir Ahmed, shared his feelings of racial superiority and hatred towards white people quite explicitly. At his trial, in front of the judge, jury, and journalists, the child rapist declared “We are the supreme race, not these white bastards … You destroyed my community and our children. None of us did that. White people trained those girls to be so much advanced in sex.”

And the rape quota created?

Which culture?

A wider issue is treatment, exploitation and oppression of females within own community. All girls, females, women should have access to education, sports - if parents/carers are not treating girls equally as expected in British society then there should be intervention.

This is a very good point. We have a recent immigrant Pakistani Muslim family local to us. The father is a GP.

The family love cricket. The daughter is talented at cricket but she is ignored compared to the son who is pushed and pushed.

The wife seems to be solely there to support the males. She doesn't speak English well and can't drive. Time will tell if this family treats it's females equally.

Wrong 😂

All cultures do this.