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Neurodivergent husband has brought me to my knees, am I unreasonable to leave him ?

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MyNextSteps · 15/01/2025 23:34

This is my first Mumsnet post so I'm sorry but this will be a long rant. But I have really lost my way and would appreciate everyone's thoughts.

My husband and I are in our late 50s and have been married for 25 years and have 5 kids who are late teens/20s.

The marriage has always had something "not quite right", something missing which I couldn't explain. DH didn't have many girlfriends I thought he was just shy. Once married I always felt he was avoidant, pulling away, preoccupied, unavailable, never initiated sex. If I ever tried to raise it, even gently, he was irritable and defensive, saying my "constant criticism and oversensitivity" was the problem and then he'd try to run away or hang up the phone or get busy or fall asleep or get one of the kids to interrupt us to shut me down. He is also very interested in facts not feelings and tends to disconnect from conversations once he's satisfied himself of the facts.

Eventually I dragged DH to therapy wondering if he was a covert narcissist but this year he's been diagnosed with High Functioning Autism Level 1 (Aspergers) which explains everything. I feel I'm in a nightmare as our story started out as a fairytale with our beautiful kids but now I'm acceptingw nothing will change with DH.

We both had good careers but I stayed at home to raise the kids. He worked hard to provide for us all but had a long commute. We moved out to the coast and bought a rambling old house with land, did it up and we have a small holding with animals. DH seemed to avoid intimacy but I didn't question it as he was tired and working so hard and so was I. He never took me out in the evening or hired a babysitter or took me away for a few nights. We only ever went away with the kids but I was so in the tunnel of parenthood and we didn't have much money to spare so I didn't really stop to question it.

Gradually the kids grew up and then DH stopped work and I thought we would spend more time together but I gradually realized he wasn't interested. Once he stopped work and was around 24/7 and the kids were grown up, it dawned on me that he was just making excuses to avoid time with me and avoid intimacy.

We did years of marriage therapy but he could neither express his feelings at all (alexithymia) or understand mine. He just cannot hear me - all he can hear is that he's being criticized and then he becomes a professional victim. I have given him a million chances to sort himself out, so many times we have fought and he always comes back, says sorry but nothing changes. Our therapist said he wouldn't change and to leave him as he wasn't able or interested in meeting my needs.

Some of the worst family fights have been when I have been angry with DH and then he goes to the kids and portrays himself as a victim and me as the perpetrator. Then the kids (who are angry he's so weak) stand up for him. So I'm then fighting my own kids and he sits there with his head in his hands not speaking while it all kicks off between me and the kids.

So there have been times when the kids have seen me as the aggressive bad cop whilst he is good cop being their friend as he does everything for them, drives them around, gives them money and never sets rules or boundaries. Mum "wears the trousers" and keeps it all fair and accountable. Although the kids hate on me for being bad cop I notice when life gets tricky they all come running to me for guidance because I'm actually the only real parent.

Every time the whole family gets together which is now only about twice a year I work hard to cook food and make it nice but either my husband or one of the ND kids has a meltdown or shutdown which ruins the occasion and the family doesn't speak for months, I am beginning to dread get togethers.

Now his daily routine is to get up feeling anxious and then just drift around for the rest of the day, no plan, no goals, achieving not much, never gets together with friends, sometimes hangs with his family (many of them have the same issues as him) low functioning, wears same clothes for days. If I ask him to do something he'll do it eventually but then says I'm bossy and that he feels "controlled" and then makes sure the kids know it.

Some of our kids have various neurodiverse traits/issues and DH and I clashed seriously about how to raise them because as a ND himself his first instinct was to deny their problems and help them to mask whereas I as an NT wanted to get them diagnosed and get them help. DH also insisted that we don't mention anyone's diagnosis in the family (shame) so when several of the kids have huge meltdowns we are not allowed to address it with the other kids and I can see that they feel guilty and responsible when it's not their fault.

Things have come to a head in the last few months. DH was being assessed for suspected cancer. He wasn't able to process many feelings about that beyond being sure he didn't want the kids to know. I did all the worrying and supporting whilst he looked blank and numb all through Christmas. Finally this week he got the "all clear", he did express some relief but I was hugely emotional after the hospital.

The same night one of our kids rang up and shouted at me because she'd given a message to DH for me to do something but he hadn't passed it on to me so I hadn't done what she needed me to do. I was still emotional from the hospital so after she'd put the phone down I was angry with DH that he hadn't passed on the message. He denied this so we started to argue. DH then portrayed himself a a victim in front of one of our sons who got aggressive with me and goaded and shoved me (he's 6 ft) and started being verbally abusive and telling me I was crazy (he didn't know about the hospital or cancer scare at all so didn't know why I was so emotional). I said to DH "tell him to stop" but DH said "why should he stop abusing you when you abuse me ?" (professional victim).

In that moment after 25 years something snapped in me. I did something I've never done before. I calmly put together a small bag of clothes and walked out. I drove off and checked into a local B&B where I am sitting now with no idea about my next move.

DH has brought me to my knees. It's not what he does, it's what he DOESN'T do, he's just absent from our marriage. He doesn't want me to leave but he doesn't want to have a relationship with me either. He just wants a housekeeper/secretary/organizer/mother not a wife. I want to leave him but then I break up the family, we lose our lovely home and I get blamed for that by him and the kids, I lose my smallholding and animals and will have to give up my dream part time job that I have taken up in the last few years too, so essentially I lose my entire life as it is currently.

I rang DH from the B&B to discuss the issues. He said "all you do is criticize me, I'm a victim" and hung up. He didn't want to discuss the issues because he can't summarize or express his feelings. He says he can't change and I am persecuting him to do things he can't do. He then said by the way if I was moving out then he'd sell our home and small holding because he wasn't interested in it anyway he only bought it for me (first I heard about that, he was the one that insisted we buy it when I wanted to stay in the city !). I went back briefly to our home to collect clothes etc and he was just lying flat on the sofa staring into space, washing left in the machine overnight, last night's dinner still on the table untouched, curtains not drawn, animals not fed, plants not watered, post not opened etc.

AIBU to leave and break up the family and sell our family home and smallholding and rehome the animals ? Or am I overreacting and should I accept he can't change, stop asking him to and just suck it up for the sake of the family ? DH is not a bad person, we have a lot in common with our joint kids, life and animals. He worked hard to support us all, he's never been unfaithful or had addictions or been abusive (contrast I've been a drunk and screaming harridan more than once when pushed beyond human limits by rigid and goading ND family members). I am also nearly 60 and have let myself go with all the stress. Dating now fills me with horror, what are my chances anyway and my friends are having horror stories on Bumble.... I would also have to go back to full time work at 60 to support myself and the children would be hostile to a new partner as they feel responsible for their victim dad. But he is not my husband or lover and he's more friends with the kids than a father to them. He is a professional victim and he has no capacity for a marriage or partnership with me. I would be happy to live alone but I keep having the sad thought that I don't want to get to the end of my life without having experienced a true and loving partnership.

If I could find a way to stay with DH I would but I have tried to compromise a million times. I don't want to have an affair either but it seems that if I stay I would have to completely deny my own needs for love, support, intimacy, boundaries, joint parenting, joy etc and life is too short for that. Advice please.

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Bagpussnotbothered · 15/01/2025 23:37

What advice would you give your daughter in this instance?

AnneLovesGilbert · 15/01/2025 23:44

Oh my goodness. Stay away, go see a lawyer tomorrow, file for divorce, prioritise yourself for the first time in decades and go find some happiness. Yes there will be difficulties, but you’ve got so much to gain from calling time on the whole sorry thing.

You found immense clarity and strength in packing a bag and walking out. Hold tight to that and the happier more exciting, peaceful, optimistic life that lies ahead of you. I’m sending you a hug.

You’re only in your 50s. My mum, single, moved to a new place in her early 60s, made loads of friends, joined a choir, a book club, a walking group, volunteers, gained a new skill and started a small business. Don’t waste another day being shat on.

nl55 · 15/01/2025 23:45

As someone who took this leap nearly the same story as yours about 18 months ago I can say you are not being unreasonable. It has been a very long road for me and I have uncovered so much he was hiding from me since I have been away from him this last year, an addiction, compulsive lying, manipulation and way more. And now he uses his ND as an excuse for those behaviors rather than taking true accountability. your story is so familiar it is as if I could have written it. whatever you decide, I am wishing you the best of luck. happy to DM if you want to chat.

Screamingabdabz · 15/01/2025 23:46

I would go low contact with them all for a good while (maybe while quietly filing for divorce), let the kids deal with his pathetic selfish arse. They think he’s some sort of poor hen-pecked soul now, but once they have to deal with him on adult terms they’ll soon open their eyes to what you’ve been dealing with.

Heronwatcher · 15/01/2025 23:46

You definitely need to go. This isn’t going to improve. In fact it sounds as though if you stay you’ll just be heading into disaster, your son getting physical with you is a real red flag. Worst case scenario you could end up in hospital, your son might end up getting arrested with a criminal record.

No house/ job is worth this. And if you’ve got a decent place you’d probably be able to get some land with a smaller house. Plus even if you have to do a bit more paid work to support your kids for now it wouldn’t be for that long surely?

Honestly it might seem a bit scary but leaving sounds a lot less scary than staying in this situation.

justasking111 · 15/01/2025 23:47

I'm sorry my brothers first marriage broke up because of this. He is high functioning Asperger's PhD scientist.

Your husband really can't help the way he is. At his age he won't. Change.

You have to sell up. We bought a place like yours and took on the animals so you might be lucky .

PlopSofa · 15/01/2025 23:48

You know the answer OP. You’re so in the thick of this you can’t see the wood for the trees.

Yes you need to break up.

You need to trawl through these threads and understand there are LOTS of us in this situation and many of us are going through similar with ND DH and are desperate to leave.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/4904334-married-to-someone-with-aspergersasd-support-thread-9

LEAVE!!

Its time.

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mumofoneAlonebutokay · 15/01/2025 23:48

I mean this kindly but it doesn't sound like your husbands autism is the issue. I don't think he wanted to get married and has just gone along with your plans

You're not gonna get what you need from him because he wants to be alone to try and figure out life

The fact that he's never really wanted to be intimate is weird - i would assume he's gay tbh but that is just me, based on my experiences

Yanbu to leave - if you try to argue with him and express your anger, you won't get anything back so I'd focus on how you can coparent and establishing yourself

You deserve better than to try to make someone want your life x

Porcuporpoise · 15/01/2025 23:48

By all means divorce him. But he's right, you are pushing him to do things he can't do, and to express himself in neurotypical ways you can interpret.

Confusedmeanderings · 15/01/2025 23:49

Oh, OP! I have no advice for you, it's such a sad situation, but I do feel for you and I hope someone else comes along with ideas. I do however think that you need to talk to someone on real life, whether it's a friend or a counsellor.

StormingNorman · 15/01/2025 23:50

You need to leave. You have spent 25 years hoping he’ll change and the truth is that he can’t “sort himself out” of Aspergers.

This is a deeply toxic relationship and it is probably bring out the worst in everyone, the DC included.

Gemmawemma9 · 15/01/2025 23:52

You need to leave him. Not all of his behaviours are down to his autism. You can be a dick and autistic too-they’re not mutually exclusive.
Also, your children treat you like shit. Why are you accepting this?
The whole situation is dysfunctional, op-I don’t know how you live like this.

AnneLovesGilbert · 15/01/2025 23:52

justasking111 · 15/01/2025 23:47

I'm sorry my brothers first marriage broke up because of this. He is high functioning Asperger's PhD scientist.

Your husband really can't help the way he is. At his age he won't. Change.

You have to sell up. We bought a place like yours and took on the animals so you might be lucky .

He can definitely help not encouraging their adult son to physically abuse his mother. And plenty of the other stuff.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 15/01/2025 23:53

Either rehome the animals or take them with you. Divorce - it isn't going to get better.

username299 · 15/01/2025 23:54

It seems as though you've been burying your head in the sand for decades and simply can't do it anymore because it's turned round to bite you.

Your husband is an arse, I don't care what diagnosis he has. He's triangulated you with your children all their lives and they've turned on you. From your snippet, your son is abusive.

You're clinging on to your marriage because you're terrified of change. I can't promise you that life will be perfect if you leave, I can promise that this is your life if you stay.

I would see a family law solicitor and take it from there.

healthybychristmas · 15/01/2025 23:55

I almost shouted with relief when I saw that you had left. You've taken the hardest step. I agree with the previous poster who said I would like the children deal with him now. They will soon come round to your way of thinking. They all sound incredibly selfish. Are any of the children okay?

I think what's really important is that you get a one bedroom place. The chances of one of your children wanting to live with you is extremely high and I think they would behave just like their dad.

You have 20 or 30 more years of life hopefully. You can either spend them with him knowing that you could've escaped in your 50s or you can stay away now and enjoy the rest of your life.

Ohthatsabitshit · 15/01/2025 23:57

You don’t want to be married to him, so divorce him and work and buy your own home and land. Your children may think you are a selfish bully or that he is a pain in the butt or both, you can’t control that.

IDoLikeToBeByTheSea · 15/01/2025 23:57

Your husband is abusive and your children have grown accustomed to this over the years, so they are treating you the same way. It’s not going to get better. You deserve more. Leave and start living your life for you.

AmusedAzureZebra · 15/01/2025 23:58

Relationship dead.

Would you like to join tinder

DorothyStorm · 15/01/2025 23:59

Gemmawemma9 · 15/01/2025 23:52

You need to leave him. Not all of his behaviours are down to his autism. You can be a dick and autistic too-they’re not mutually exclusive.
Also, your children treat you like shit. Why are you accepting this?
The whole situation is dysfunctional, op-I don’t know how you live like this.

All of this. Your dh is abusive. Your children have also been raised to be abusive towards you. That stops now. Divorce the cock and start again. Dont waste the rest of your life.

ZeppelinTits · 16/01/2025 00:00

You know you can be autistic and other things as well? Covert narcissist sounds bang on. He is likely that as well as autistic. I left someone like this a few months ago. They will never change. You deserve more, so it's worth shaking up your life a bit for a go at real happiness.
(My ex used to say all the things you've said your H says. They sound like just the same person. The couples therapist said my ex likely was NPD and also autistic)
Good luck, OP Flowers

Strangerthanfictions · 16/01/2025 00:02

Porcuporpoise · 15/01/2025 23:48

By all means divorce him. But he's right, you are pushing him to do things he can't do, and to express himself in neurotypical ways you can interpret.

This is true, she wants things he cannot provide but he is defensive, cruel, controlling uses their children and doesn't pull his weight, all of that he can help and chooses not to. The victim role is very powerful. He is not a decent partner in the ways he could be capable of I think. Op sounds very reflective and self aware. She's been used and her children are being gaslit into thinking she is the baddie.

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paranoiaofpufflings · 16/01/2025 00:11

You are being abused by everyone around you. Neurodivergence isn't an excuse for abusive behaviour. Your life must feel so horribly lonely.
If I were you I would call time on the marriage. It's sad to lose your dream home but don't condemn yourself to a life of misery for the sake of a house.
The animals - are they pets or farming stock? If pets, there are charities who will temporarily foster animals until you get yourself settled and able to take them back.
Sending you love and strength. You need to have courage now but you can do this, you can have a happier life.

22nws · 16/01/2025 00:13

Lots of ASD in my family. This is way more than ASD. He’s just using it to get out of jail free when he wants to have everything his own way.

A smaller property that’s yours only will make you a lot happier. I’d focus on getting homes for the animals where you will be able to visit them, or a property where you can keep a small number of them.

I have an ASD 18yo who is 8 inches taller than me. Never in a million years would he shove me. And my DH would definitely stop him if he did.

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