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Neurodivergent husband has brought me to my knees, am I unreasonable to leave him ?

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MyNextSteps · 15/01/2025 23:34

This is my first Mumsnet post so I'm sorry but this will be a long rant. But I have really lost my way and would appreciate everyone's thoughts.

My husband and I are in our late 50s and have been married for 25 years and have 5 kids who are late teens/20s.

The marriage has always had something "not quite right", something missing which I couldn't explain. DH didn't have many girlfriends I thought he was just shy. Once married I always felt he was avoidant, pulling away, preoccupied, unavailable, never initiated sex. If I ever tried to raise it, even gently, he was irritable and defensive, saying my "constant criticism and oversensitivity" was the problem and then he'd try to run away or hang up the phone or get busy or fall asleep or get one of the kids to interrupt us to shut me down. He is also very interested in facts not feelings and tends to disconnect from conversations once he's satisfied himself of the facts.

Eventually I dragged DH to therapy wondering if he was a covert narcissist but this year he's been diagnosed with High Functioning Autism Level 1 (Aspergers) which explains everything. I feel I'm in a nightmare as our story started out as a fairytale with our beautiful kids but now I'm acceptingw nothing will change with DH.

We both had good careers but I stayed at home to raise the kids. He worked hard to provide for us all but had a long commute. We moved out to the coast and bought a rambling old house with land, did it up and we have a small holding with animals. DH seemed to avoid intimacy but I didn't question it as he was tired and working so hard and so was I. He never took me out in the evening or hired a babysitter or took me away for a few nights. We only ever went away with the kids but I was so in the tunnel of parenthood and we didn't have much money to spare so I didn't really stop to question it.

Gradually the kids grew up and then DH stopped work and I thought we would spend more time together but I gradually realized he wasn't interested. Once he stopped work and was around 24/7 and the kids were grown up, it dawned on me that he was just making excuses to avoid time with me and avoid intimacy.

We did years of marriage therapy but he could neither express his feelings at all (alexithymia) or understand mine. He just cannot hear me - all he can hear is that he's being criticized and then he becomes a professional victim. I have given him a million chances to sort himself out, so many times we have fought and he always comes back, says sorry but nothing changes. Our therapist said he wouldn't change and to leave him as he wasn't able or interested in meeting my needs.

Some of the worst family fights have been when I have been angry with DH and then he goes to the kids and portrays himself as a victim and me as the perpetrator. Then the kids (who are angry he's so weak) stand up for him. So I'm then fighting my own kids and he sits there with his head in his hands not speaking while it all kicks off between me and the kids.

So there have been times when the kids have seen me as the aggressive bad cop whilst he is good cop being their friend as he does everything for them, drives them around, gives them money and never sets rules or boundaries. Mum "wears the trousers" and keeps it all fair and accountable. Although the kids hate on me for being bad cop I notice when life gets tricky they all come running to me for guidance because I'm actually the only real parent.

Every time the whole family gets together which is now only about twice a year I work hard to cook food and make it nice but either my husband or one of the ND kids has a meltdown or shutdown which ruins the occasion and the family doesn't speak for months, I am beginning to dread get togethers.

Now his daily routine is to get up feeling anxious and then just drift around for the rest of the day, no plan, no goals, achieving not much, never gets together with friends, sometimes hangs with his family (many of them have the same issues as him) low functioning, wears same clothes for days. If I ask him to do something he'll do it eventually but then says I'm bossy and that he feels "controlled" and then makes sure the kids know it.

Some of our kids have various neurodiverse traits/issues and DH and I clashed seriously about how to raise them because as a ND himself his first instinct was to deny their problems and help them to mask whereas I as an NT wanted to get them diagnosed and get them help. DH also insisted that we don't mention anyone's diagnosis in the family (shame) so when several of the kids have huge meltdowns we are not allowed to address it with the other kids and I can see that they feel guilty and responsible when it's not their fault.

Things have come to a head in the last few months. DH was being assessed for suspected cancer. He wasn't able to process many feelings about that beyond being sure he didn't want the kids to know. I did all the worrying and supporting whilst he looked blank and numb all through Christmas. Finally this week he got the "all clear", he did express some relief but I was hugely emotional after the hospital.

The same night one of our kids rang up and shouted at me because she'd given a message to DH for me to do something but he hadn't passed it on to me so I hadn't done what she needed me to do. I was still emotional from the hospital so after she'd put the phone down I was angry with DH that he hadn't passed on the message. He denied this so we started to argue. DH then portrayed himself a a victim in front of one of our sons who got aggressive with me and goaded and shoved me (he's 6 ft) and started being verbally abusive and telling me I was crazy (he didn't know about the hospital or cancer scare at all so didn't know why I was so emotional). I said to DH "tell him to stop" but DH said "why should he stop abusing you when you abuse me ?" (professional victim).

In that moment after 25 years something snapped in me. I did something I've never done before. I calmly put together a small bag of clothes and walked out. I drove off and checked into a local B&B where I am sitting now with no idea about my next move.

DH has brought me to my knees. It's not what he does, it's what he DOESN'T do, he's just absent from our marriage. He doesn't want me to leave but he doesn't want to have a relationship with me either. He just wants a housekeeper/secretary/organizer/mother not a wife. I want to leave him but then I break up the family, we lose our lovely home and I get blamed for that by him and the kids, I lose my smallholding and animals and will have to give up my dream part time job that I have taken up in the last few years too, so essentially I lose my entire life as it is currently.

I rang DH from the B&B to discuss the issues. He said "all you do is criticize me, I'm a victim" and hung up. He didn't want to discuss the issues because he can't summarize or express his feelings. He says he can't change and I am persecuting him to do things he can't do. He then said by the way if I was moving out then he'd sell our home and small holding because he wasn't interested in it anyway he only bought it for me (first I heard about that, he was the one that insisted we buy it when I wanted to stay in the city !). I went back briefly to our home to collect clothes etc and he was just lying flat on the sofa staring into space, washing left in the machine overnight, last night's dinner still on the table untouched, curtains not drawn, animals not fed, plants not watered, post not opened etc.

AIBU to leave and break up the family and sell our family home and smallholding and rehome the animals ? Or am I overreacting and should I accept he can't change, stop asking him to and just suck it up for the sake of the family ? DH is not a bad person, we have a lot in common with our joint kids, life and animals. He worked hard to support us all, he's never been unfaithful or had addictions or been abusive (contrast I've been a drunk and screaming harridan more than once when pushed beyond human limits by rigid and goading ND family members). I am also nearly 60 and have let myself go with all the stress. Dating now fills me with horror, what are my chances anyway and my friends are having horror stories on Bumble.... I would also have to go back to full time work at 60 to support myself and the children would be hostile to a new partner as they feel responsible for their victim dad. But he is not my husband or lover and he's more friends with the kids than a father to them. He is a professional victim and he has no capacity for a marriage or partnership with me. I would be happy to live alone but I keep having the sad thought that I don't want to get to the end of my life without having experienced a true and loving partnership.

If I could find a way to stay with DH I would but I have tried to compromise a million times. I don't want to have an affair either but it seems that if I stay I would have to completely deny my own needs for love, support, intimacy, boundaries, joint parenting, joy etc and life is too short for that. Advice please.

OP posts:
RogueFemale · 16/01/2025 00:18

Your situation sounds intolerable and I completely understand why you left. You need love and joy in your life and 'DH' isn't it.

(I hate to say it, but I'm worried about the animals your husband may not be feeding now).

You need to seek legal advice ASAP, and it may be possible for you to maintain your home.

Cardinalita90 · 16/01/2025 00:23

He isn't going to change at this late stage in your marriage even if he wanted/could do. He has autism - that's not going anywhere and it does sound like you're trying to force him to try and communicate in a way that's alien to him. That way though isn't making you feel heard, desired or appreciated and life is too short for that. It sounds like you're making each other miserable and no farm animal or house is worth that.

Also, your kids sound appalling in their behaviour.

Cardinalita90 · 16/01/2025 00:23

Also why can't you go back to the house and he leave??

ThatEllie · 16/01/2025 00:24

DH then portrayed himself a a victim in front of one of our sons who got aggressive with me and goaded and shoved me (he's 6 ft) and started being verbally abusive and telling me I was crazy (he didn't know about the hospital or cancer scare at all so didn't know why I was so emotional). I said to DH "tell him to stop" but DH said "why should he stop abusing you when you abuse me ?"

Your adult son physically attacked you and your husband encouraged him to do it. This is an incredibly dangerous situation for you. Make no mistake, you cannot go back to that house.

Your husband is absolutely abusive. Your focus needs to be getting out of there. If you can’t trust any of them to feed the animals then find a way to emergency rehome or place with a rescue so they won’t starve.

I agree with going low-contact with the children for now. You said there are issues with some being ND and some being NT and a lack of communication/understanding in the family. Is it primarily the ND ones that are siding with their father against you? If so, do not feel bad about reducing contact. It is past time for you to put your life jacket on and save yourself. If any of them are reasonable and reliable feel free to lean on them, but otherwise keep your distance.

Don’t worry right now about starting over or your age or any of that. All you need to worry about is staying safe and securing your safety by divorcing your abusive husband.

And please keep us updated, don’t vanish. I am genuinely quite worried about you and that doesn’t happen often.

GreyAreas · 16/01/2025 00:26

You can leave for any reason you want to. Get out of victim-perpetrator-rescuer triangles so your kids can too. Aim for powerful, responsible and open - take action, name your feelings, only accept responsibility for that which you have done. I'm sorry that you will lose some things and I hope you can build a better future (just imagine living there with him in ten years time - do you want to be there?)

itsmylife7 · 16/01/2025 00:28

Stop keeping secrets is the first step.

How disgusting that your son pushed you and verbally abused you.

Gather them all together and tell them everything...no more keeping secrets about cancer ect.

RobinMcfly · 16/01/2025 00:28

he seems like sheldon cooper from the big bang theory

Porcuporpoise · 16/01/2025 00:29

Strangerthanfictions · 16/01/2025 00:02

This is true, she wants things he cannot provide but he is defensive, cruel, controlling uses their children and doesn't pull his weight, all of that he can help and chooses not to. The victim role is very powerful. He is not a decent partner in the ways he could be capable of I think. Op sounds very reflective and self aware. She's been used and her children are being gaslit into thinking she is the baddie.

It's true he's not a good husband. But constantly demanding things of people that they cannot provide and rubbishing them for not being able to do them is pretty cruel too and enough to make anybody defensive.

AwaitingFreedom · 16/01/2025 00:43

I want to leave him but then I break up the family, we lose our lovely home and I get blamed for that by him and the kids, I lose my smallholding and animals and will have to give up my dream part time job that I have taken up in the last few years too, so essentially I lose my entire life as it is currently.

Your family is already broken and has been for years. It's now reached the unrepairable stage where even sticking plasters and dark sunglasses don't work. As for your son physically abusing you tell him next time he puts his hands on you, you will be calling the police - and mean it.

Your health, your sanity and your self worth are worth more than a house. Don't be bogged down by objects - you can always buy something similar, just smaller. See if any friends or charities can foster any of the hard to let go animals short term. And why do you need to give up your job, is it linked to the small holding?

I'm 60ish and I can't face living with my stbx in retirement so I've activated an escape plan. Once the family home is sold I will finally be free of someone who caused me so much stress my health imploded. Staying with him cost me too high a price.

MyNextSteps · 16/01/2025 00:44

Thank you everyone who has posted. I am literally sitting here in tears that so many people have cared to respond and support me. Thank you. I now am wondering whether it's unreasonable that DH is refusing to tell the DCs about his diagnoses and other truths ? He seems to love it when I'm screaming and triggered by his behavior but the children never see the flip side of WHY I'm like that sometimes....they don't know the reality which is:

  • he has just come out of a cancer scare
  • he has an autism diagnosis
  • he is a professional victim and manipulator
  • he doesn't pull his weight as the other parent
  • he has avoided emotional and sexual intimacy for over 15 years
  • he is skilled at avoiding and projecting shame, blame, guilt, responsibility
OP posts:
Ohnobackagain · 16/01/2025 00:44

@MyNextSteps you cannot fix any of this. I think it is fine to stop and say you’ve had enough. Let his family paint you as the baddie. Let them. It doesn’t matter, what matters is that you find some peace. Yes, maybe alone but better alone and happy than in what you have described.

blueshoes · 16/01/2025 00:45

I feel so sad for you, OP. You have been trapped and boxed in. He may be neurodiverse but his actions are also very very manipulative and toxic to you. Who cares if it is his condition, you deserve so much better after all you have done for him and the family.

Your dh can go f_ck himself. Job done.

You say you have 5 children, late teens and 20s. Are they in university/jobs and self-supporting?

Have you consulted a divorce lawyer to understand what your rights are in this situation?

AwaitingFreedom · 16/01/2025 00:49

He seems to love it when I'm screaming and triggered by his behavior
This is what abusive and manipulative people enjoy and it is the main reason they do it. Look up DARVO and see if any of that fits btw.

Also read up Lundy Bancroft- Why does he do that? Google it and you should find a free pdf download that you can read at your leisure. It really is eye opening.

tolerable · 16/01/2025 00:50

and in all of that -holding on to family home animals-iwho is your hero?sheltering you from the storm?
YOU are. s step int yer cape-pants on outside yer jeans n rescue YOU.
its k.you know -you cant change anyone else ever.cant go back undo a day of it.
so glad you bag packed.cos alternative is grim.
keep your dignity-get legal rep.focus n nurturing you-kids might not be impressed.its ok.
hes not drinker druggie bad person .good.you re not responsible for him.be calm.be s amicble as can.take your life.live it.x

RoastDinnerSmellsNice · 16/01/2025 00:53

OP, please don't take any notice of any of the posters that appear to be blaming you for wanting something he doesn't seem capable of giving you.

I am SO glad that you walked out. Many women in these situations hang on until it's too late, and ends up getting physical, if it hasn't already?

Start a new life, don't look back on what might have been, it wasn't, and never will be, what you wanted it to be.

Cut ties with all of the family for a few months, and give yourself the space and time to be able to think clearly. Get advice from a solicitor as to what you're entitled to.

It doesn't sound like you have any children at home now, if that's correct, then divorce should be relatively easy. Is there still a mortgage left on the property? If not, you'll likely find that you're in a position to buy yourself a decent place to live in, and if funds allow, possibly somewhere where you might still be able to keep some animals, but DON'T allow ANY family members to move in with you, you need a completely fresh start, away from this whole sorry mess. At this stage in your life, you need to keep yourself safe, and work on having enough money to get by when you retire. If you want another relationship, there is still time, but PLEASE don't let that be an important part of your plans for the future.

You say that you have a part time job that you enjoy, could you make that full time?

It really does sound like your life had turned into a living hell, so please don't think you did wrong by leaving. You absolutely did the right thing. Now you just have to work out what you want from the next stage of your life. Once you've had time to get your head straight, and get a divorce underway, you will probably find that you have a whole new lease of life anyway, so please don't waste it on regrets, you've obviously done your best in VERY difficult circumstances, but now it's time for YOU, rather than giving your all to a selfish and ungrateful family, and husband.

Please continue to come back and keep us updated. Wishing you all the best, and sending a big reassuring hug your way.

mathanxiety · 16/01/2025 00:53

You can be autistic and also have all the cluster B personality disorders and also be gay...

OP, how long more will you last if you go back to the godawful mess your "husband" has turned your life into?

The only thing you can change in this situation is your own response to it.

The kids need to be told the truth. They can decide for themselves what they believe. After that, the ball is in their court. You can't control what happens after that.

You're torn between the ideal (the house on the coast, the animals, the big, happy family and the home cooked meals) and the hell of the reality. You have a husband who is actively working to wreck every single thing that is precious to you, has never been available to you but is good at keeping you dangling on a string, and is horribly abusive to you and the children.

You need therapy to help you come to grips with the damage this man has done to you. You need to stay away.

Go back to feed the animals if you want, but in all honesty, if you go back and find they're being neglected, call the local animal cruelty authority and see if they can be removed. They're just one more thing this man has placed in your life to keep you tied to him.

FoxtrotOscarKindaDay · 16/01/2025 00:53

Aspergers doesn't make a man play the victim. That's all him not being ND.

He's an abusive dick and so is at least one of your children. Also not Aspegers.

Other traits including lack of emotional intimacy are common but you have a bunch of children so he's not that hypersensitive to touch.

Aspie's (like many autistic people) do struggle with expressing their feelings, get overwhelmed with social situations and understanding other people's point of view but your husband just sounds like he is also an asshole who emotionally manipulates those around him.

Find good homes for your animals if you can't take them with you. Leave the teenage children with him, especially the abusive son.

Take your freedom and run, you've suffered enough. Make plans for your life on your own. You will survive this. And thrive.

ASD is no excuse for being a horrible human.

nl55 · 16/01/2025 00:54

AwaitingFreedom · 16/01/2025 00:49

He seems to love it when I'm screaming and triggered by his behavior
This is what abusive and manipulative people enjoy and it is the main reason they do it. Look up DARVO and see if any of that fits btw.

Also read up Lundy Bancroft- Why does he do that? Google it and you should find a free pdf download that you can read at your leisure. It really is eye opening.

https://ia601407.us.archive.org/6/items/LundyWhyDoesHeDoThat/Lundy_Why-does-he-do-that.pdf

a must read!

https://ia601407.us.archive.org/6/items/LundyWhyDoesHeDoThat/Lundy_Why-does-he-do-that.pdf

Delphiniumandlupins · 16/01/2025 00:55

This marriage is not healthy or happy for any of you, including DC. I understand that your DH had a right to keep his medical issues private but I think you need to remove the shame and secrecy around neurodivergency. ND is not an excuse to abuse people and all your DC need to understand this. Even if your DH is not totally responsible for how he behaves you shouldn't stay in a relationship that makes you so unhappy. It's hard to know where your life will go but this isn't sustainable. You need to get out.

Tittat50 · 16/01/2025 00:56

I agree you can be both Autistic and Narcissistic and he sounds like he's definitely that. He's using classic destabilising narcissistic abusive tactics on you like the reverse victim bollocks and recruiting the children as his little minions used to emotionally batter you.

I wouldn't care if they were my kids. I have an ND child and I've already told myself no way on earth will shit like that fly with me. I am surrounded by narc people and with ND dad and the narc situation you're really at risk of being entirely overwhelmed and bullied severely by him and the kids too. What has already happened is beyond comprehension and dangerous really.

It's so sad your son is like this but it was always in his destiny with how everything aligned. You can't fix it and it's not your fault. But you can protect yourself.

It's very devastating to let go of the dream of your family. It has always been a dream and almost a delusion and you're seeing reality now.

Do not go back to that. Your son can learn the hard way sadly that shit like that won't work. Your husband is beyond help now.

WishinAndHopin · 16/01/2025 00:58

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I think that narcissistic personality disorder, and some other personality disorders, are regularly misdiagnosed as autism, because it's a less offensive label. I know an autism practitioner who admits to misdiagnosing people who don't meet the criteria for autism, but who she feels need support anyway. Her justification is that an autism label gets them help. These individuals that she has misdiagnosed appear to me to have narcissism or borderline personality disorder.

Autism means the person is a victim, it's not their fault, they don't have to change. Whereas narcissism means the way they think is fundamentally selfish, borne of a superiority complex, and their behaviours are likely to harm others.

I don't think people with actual autism are more likely to be narcissistic (though of course you can still be both). Maybe some behaviours are misread as narcissism due to reduced ability to understand other people, but we do genuinely try our best. (I am diagnosed autistic, back in the noughties when diagnosis was less easy to get).

The purposeful manipulation and lack of trying to care that OP describes is beyond autism, regardless of whether he also has autism.

augustusglupe · 16/01/2025 00:58

Malignant covert narcissist. You were right the first time OP. He’s abusive. Don’t give a toss about what label he’s trying to hide behind. Snivelling coward.

mathanxiety · 16/01/2025 00:59

MyNextSteps · 16/01/2025 00:44

Thank you everyone who has posted. I am literally sitting here in tears that so many people have cared to respond and support me. Thank you. I now am wondering whether it's unreasonable that DH is refusing to tell the DCs about his diagnoses and other truths ? He seems to love it when I'm screaming and triggered by his behavior but the children never see the flip side of WHY I'm like that sometimes....they don't know the reality which is:

  • he has just come out of a cancer scare
  • he has an autism diagnosis
  • he is a professional victim and manipulator
  • he doesn't pull his weight as the other parent
  • he has avoided emotional and sexual intimacy for over 15 years
  • he is skilled at avoiding and projecting shame, blame, guilt, responsibility

Yeah, this is not just autism, @MyNextSteps .

This man has much more going on.

He is inflicting terrible damage on the children. I'm talking about the kind of damage that doesn't get undone.

You are dealing with a man who hates you and has mobilised your own children against you.

Ottersmith · 16/01/2025 00:59

Yes just leave. Do you need to lose your job etc? Can you afford a smaller smallholding so you can still have animals? You worry about being on your own but you are already on your own. Instead of worrying about future scenarios, just take it one day at a time and ask yourself what you need to do to be happy. By the end of the day, the week, the month. What steps do you need to take?

It sounds like you need to calmly detach emotionally from him, as he's making you lose it. You need to put yourself in a position where what he does and how he behaves doesn't affect you. Another poster on here said her therapist told her to just write "let me know how that works out for you." When her ex was trying to get a rise out of her.

As for your kids, you should put some boundaries in with them because it sounds like they aren't sowing you any respect. Absolutely tell them the truth if it will make your life easier.

You've still got time to be happy so go for it.

Plastictrees · 16/01/2025 00:59

Leave him. I think you know this won’t get better. Give yourself a shot of happiness and stop sacrificing yourself for him. Don’t feel guilty because of his diagnosis - it’s his personality that makes him constantly assume a victim role, not being ND. It’s a toxic dynamic and you need to leave for your own sanity and wellbeing.