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Asking lodger to leave. Does he have rights?

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MrsRaspberry · 15/01/2025 22:24

I am a lone parent and have 2 adult children as well as 3 younger ones. One of my adult children asked if her friend could come to stay with us as his home situation wasn't good(he lived in supported accommodation and said it affected his mental health)I know this friend and agreed. He's here on the understanding that it wasn't permanent and he needed to sort out something with the homeless team. 8months later and he's still here doing nothing to help his living situation. I feel he's taking the piss. My 8 year old is saying she hates him as he winds her up purposely then shouts when she retaliates. He has doubled my bills with his eating habits he takes everything in excess leaving little without a thought that others need to eat. He puts the heating on and has upped my gas bill hugely. He does pay board as such £100 per month which doesn't even cover the extra food I have to buy to replace everything he uses let alone the fact that my other bills have gone up as he sits up all night using my internet leaving lights on and leaving heating on.he doesn't do his laundry he seems to expect me to do it and leaves all his dirty clothing in my bathroom he doesn't wash up after himself and he doesn't even purchase his own toiletries. He barely washes and just sleeps all day to the point I can't even have visitors as he makes them feel uncomfortable as he's sofa surfing at mine.(My house isn't big enough to give him a bedroom) I have given him 2 weeks to sort out somewhere permanent to live as we can no longer tolerate feeling like we can't even enjoy our home without him literally waiting for visitors to leave and making it obvious that he doesn't want them there. He even tried to tell me my eldest cannot come to my house unless I'm here at home which to be honest if she wants to come over she's allowed to as she sometimes likes to be here when I come home from work. He's told a mutual friend that I've been unreasonable to ask him to move out and now he's making me uncomfortable in my own home as he keeps giving sly nasty looks all the time. There's no tenancy agreement or anything but does he have any rights to not leave?as I have a feeling he's going to try to make it difficult to get him to leave

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Auldlang · 16/01/2025 01:27

Get this bully away from your kids yesterday.

Mrsbloggz · 16/01/2025 01:28

he'll probably have his daft friends message me or something but then to be honest if they're that bothered they'd take him into their homes
I agree OP, let him impose himself on someone else now!
Talk about biting the hand that feeds him😧, I'd (metaphorically) kick him into the back of next week😡

Todaysthedaytocelebrate · 16/01/2025 01:29

Check our Citizens Advice and Shelter
They have advice on what you can and can’t do.
Technically, despite comments on here, he is a lodger.

If you have a verbal agreement with him that he can live in your property ie nothing in writing, then you can verbally ask him to leave in a ‘reasonable amount of time’. That’s usually a month but it can be less. You cannot chuck his things out on the street as a pp stated ( see advice noted ).

His rights are limited but not non existent

caringcarer · 16/01/2025 01:36

SnowThaw · 15/01/2025 22:30

Write a letter asking him to leave which he can take to his local housing office

This is the best way to get him to leave. He can take it to the council and they will most likely put him in temporary accommodation. Don't feel guilty. He should have been playing you much more.

ClairDeLaLune · 16/01/2025 01:43

Fucking hell OP, protect your 8 year old and sling him out now. This could do untold damage to her mental health. Are you insane, to have tolerated this situation?

RogueFemale · 16/01/2025 01:53

Todaysthedaytocelebrate · 16/01/2025 01:29

Check our Citizens Advice and Shelter
They have advice on what you can and can’t do.
Technically, despite comments on here, he is a lodger.

If you have a verbal agreement with him that he can live in your property ie nothing in writing, then you can verbally ask him to leave in a ‘reasonable amount of time’. That’s usually a month but it can be less. You cannot chuck his things out on the street as a pp stated ( see advice noted ).

His rights are limited but not non existent

OP has given him 2 weeks notice. That is fair in the circumstances, when he's supposedly paying £100 pcm for everything and is taking the piss in all manner of ways.

His 'rights' to a notice to quit period is technically a month, yeah, but this is a lodger situation, not a Housing Act tenant and I can't remember reading about a landlord being done for illegal eviction of a HA tenant in the last 50 years, let alone a landlord of a lodger (an 'excluded occupier' not protected by Housing Act 1988).

SheSaidHummingbird · 16/01/2025 02:09

MrsRaspberry · 15/01/2025 23:49

Thank you. I've been far too patient. Like the whole of the post hasn't been happening for the whole 8 months he's been here.like I said the lad isn't a complete stranger he's been a friend of my daughters for a number of years. It's like he's now gotten far too comfortable and seems to think he can take the piss and doesn't like it now he's been asked to leave due to the more recent behaviour of winding up my daughter. The other stuff like using up stupid amounts of food and being generally lazy has been going on longer. When he first moved in he would actually do his own laundry then over time he started not to and just seemed to generally expect me to chuck his stuff in with mine and the kids stuff

None of his behaviour is acceptable, not even one instance. How dare he treat your daughter that way in her own home. What kind of message is that sending her? She needs reassurance that this ends now.

Your priority is your family and yourself. He must leave. Two weeks warning is generous.

From what you've intimated, it sounds as though he won't leave readily. Be prepared for a fight. Knowing your rights (and his lack of) will serve you well when he kicks off. He'll have little to say when you can clearly quote the law and police presence, if necessary.

Keep us posted and don't be afraid to ask for help.

oakleaffy · 16/01/2025 02:47

Merryoldgoat · 15/01/2025 22:33

What? You thought as a single parent on an 8 year old having a vulnerable man who was in supported housing sleeping on your sofa was a good idea?

What is going on? Seriously. Does no one know how to say no anymore?

I sometimes feel like I’m a nutcase reading threads like this as I literally don’t understand how this happens.

My jaw is literally on the floor at threads like these, too.

@MrsRaspberry You were out of your mind to bring an abusive, cunty freeloader {who probably gets plenty of benefits} into your daughter's home.

Change the locks if you have to- get the parasite out of your home.
For your daughter's sakes.

AnnaL94 · 16/01/2025 02:51

I only needed to read as far as …

”My 8 year old is saying she hates him as he winds her up purposely then shouts when she retaliates”

KICK THIS FREELOADER OUT ASAP AND PRIORITISE THE WELL-BEING AND SAFETY OF YOUR YOUNG CHILD

Mummyoflittledragon · 16/01/2025 02:51

RogueFemale · 16/01/2025 00:46

@Namechanged4obviousreasons He has no rights to stay at your property and you can call the Police if he won’t leave.

And the police will say it's a civil matter - as it is - and won't do anything.

What do you mean a civil matter? He’s intimidating and bullying an 8 year old child.

oakleaffy · 16/01/2025 02:52

Todaysthedaytocelebrate · 16/01/2025 01:29

Check our Citizens Advice and Shelter
They have advice on what you can and can’t do.
Technically, despite comments on here, he is a lodger.

If you have a verbal agreement with him that he can live in your property ie nothing in writing, then you can verbally ask him to leave in a ‘reasonable amount of time’. That’s usually a month but it can be less. You cannot chuck his things out on the street as a pp stated ( see advice noted ).

His rights are limited but not non existent

He's not a ''lodger'' - he's a friend of the daughter who has outstayed his welcome. He's dossing on her sofa, hasn't a room. Change the locks OP, you owe this freeloader nothing.

Todaysthedaytocelebrate · 16/01/2025 02:54

oakleaffy · 16/01/2025 02:52

He's not a ''lodger'' - he's a friend of the daughter who has outstayed his welcome. He's dossing on her sofa, hasn't a room. Change the locks OP, you owe this freeloader nothing.

technically he is a lodger, he’s not sofa surfing etc as he is paying OP some money and they have a verbal agreement
If OP checks out the relevant advice posted she’ll see that

oakleaffy · 16/01/2025 02:55

Todaysthedaytocelebrate · 16/01/2025 02:54

technically he is a lodger, he’s not sofa surfing etc as he is paying OP some money and they have a verbal agreement
If OP checks out the relevant advice posted she’ll see that

Edited

Shelter blurb says not. That he is ''homeless'' {Sofa surfing} Council need to put him up.

Todaysthedaytocelebrate · 16/01/2025 03:01

oakleaffy · 16/01/2025 02:55

Shelter blurb says not. That he is ''homeless'' {Sofa surfing} Council need to put him up.

Shelter don’t say that.
He currently has somewhere to live as OP has given him somewhere and he’s paying her money ( whether we think £100 is low is also irrelevant ) and she agreed to let him stay.
If he wasn’t paying anything then that would be more akin to sofa surfing.

OP has given him two weeks to go and given other matters she has raised that is enough.

pikkumyy77 · 16/01/2025 03:05

Stop fantasizing sbout what he eill for when he mives out. He wont go. You don’t register eith him as sn authority figure. You don’t matter to him. Have both your daughters come over with their boyfriends and bag up his stuff snd move him out. He dan go couch durf somewhere else. Or go to s shelters. Then change the locks .

oakleaffy · 16/01/2025 03:09

Todaysthedaytocelebrate · 16/01/2025 03:01

Shelter don’t say that.
He currently has somewhere to live as OP has given him somewhere and he’s paying her money ( whether we think £100 is low is also irrelevant ) and she agreed to let him stay.
If he wasn’t paying anything then that would be more akin to sofa surfing.

OP has given him two weeks to go and given other matters she has raised that is enough.

It is sofa surfing.

He has no rights at all to stay at her home.

YourHappyJadeEagle · 16/01/2025 05:21

You did your best to help someone out, not your fault he’s a freeloading CF.
If he refuses to leave call the police and do not be talked into letting him stay another night/ weekend which they may try to do to make their lives easier!
Make sure he has no keys or get the locks changed.

OnlyMabelInTheBuilding · 16/01/2025 05:24

It’s not your problem if he has nowhere to go. Kick him out today. Change the locks and phone the police if he tries to come back. He sounds hideous.

Turnups · 16/01/2025 05:27

In the meantime (the next week), stop doing any of his washing or cooking for him. It will make him less likely to even want to stay.

miliop · 16/01/2025 06:58

Insane.

Young kids in the house and you let some bloke you don't know (and let's face it, you don't know him) move in. That's bad enough. Then he bullies your child, eats all your food, does nothing and you do his fucking laundry. And he's still there.

What? Seriously? Sorry but you have got to wise up, stop being a pushover and protect your kids.

Viviennemary · 16/01/2025 07:06

LaPam · 15/01/2025 22:35

They wouldn’t be penalising him for being student but considering that if he is, he will have a maintenance loan to live of.

They won’t house him while he has a house to go back to (yours), he is not a priority at all if he has a roof over his head.

OP needs to get him out. Police if necessary.

LaPam · 16/01/2025 07:12

Viviennemary · 16/01/2025 07:06

OP needs to get him out. Police if necessary.

Totally agree (read my other posts) Just explains to the OP why they are NOT being unfair to the guy

This guy will have money to eat and pay for a roof over his head as soon as the student loan is paid. Obviously, it is hard for homeless students to survive until the first payment of the loan, which should have this freeloader kissing the feet of the OP instead of making her uncomfortable in her own home.

RedHelenB · 16/01/2025 07:31

TroysMammy · 15/01/2025 22:28

No he doesn't have any rights. He's a piss taker, give him a week's notice if you must and give him the telephone number of the council and Shelter.

This. You've got mug tattooed on your forehead OP and I'd gave thought there would be big alarm bells ringing before he moved in as he was needing to live in supported accommodation.

BlondeMamaToBe · 16/01/2025 07:37

Two weeks notice is more than fair. You’ve been more than accommodating to him.

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