Asking lodger to leave. Does he have rights?

[MrsRaspberry]

I am a lone parent and have 2 adult children as well as 3 younger ones. One of my adult children asked if her friend could come to stay with us as his home situation wasn't good(he lived in supported accommodation and said it affected his mental health)I know this friend and agreed. He's here on the understanding that it wasn't permanent and he needed to sort out something with the homeless team. 8months later and he's still here doing nothing to help his living situation. I feel he's taking the piss. My 8 year old is saying she hates him as he winds her up purposely then shouts when she retaliates. He has doubled my bills with his eating habits he takes everything in excess leaving little without a thought that others need to eat. He puts the heating on and has upped my gas bill hugely. He does pay board as such £100 per month which doesn't even cover the extra food I have to buy to replace everything he uses let alone the fact that my other bills have gone up as he sits up all night using my internet leaving lights on and leaving heating on.he doesn't do his laundry he seems to expect me to do it and leaves all his dirty clothing in my bathroom he doesn't wash up after himself and he doesn't even purchase his own toiletries. He barely washes and just sleeps all day to the point I can't even have visitors as he makes them feel uncomfortable as he's sofa surfing at mine.(My house isn't big enough to give him a bedroom) I have given him 2 weeks to sort out somewhere permanent to live as we can no longer tolerate feeling like we can't even enjoy our home without him literally waiting for visitors to leave and making it obvious that he doesn't want them there. He even tried to tell me my eldest cannot come to my house unless I'm here at home which to be honest if she wants to come over she's allowed to as she sometimes likes to be here when I come home from work. He's told a mutual friend that I've been unreasonable to ask him to move out and now he's making me uncomfortable in my own home as he keeps giving sly nasty looks all the time. There's no tenancy agreement or anything but does he have any rights to not leave?as I have a feeling he's going to try to make it difficult to get him to leave

He’s not a lodger. There is no formal lodging agreement. If OP gives written notice it’s giving the wrong impression.

Oh for goodness sake. Are you a adult and teaching your children how to behave.
Tell him he has 24 hrs to leave. That's go don't return.
Pack his items. Get a male neighbour to stand with you when he is to leave. There's no extra time .his sleeping arrangements have ended.
He has no rights.
Or are you going to wait until he does something to your young daughter ,before you wake up. He's not your child. Protect the children you have.

I wish there was a way to edit the OP to say 'this has now moved on please read the OPs updates'
Mind you that should be common sense but doesn't seem so 😅

Are you going to read the full thread before posting?

Why on earth are you paying for his food and letting him crank up your heating bill? I can't even understand why you let him stay in the first place. He's winding up your 8 year old and making her uncomfortable? Ffs get him out. He had a huge chance here to sort himself out, 8 whole months! instead, he's taken you for a ride. 2 weeks is too generous. Don't let anyone walk all over you like this again. I can't believe people are taken advantage of like this. Absolute piss take.

I would find him somewhere else and then present it as a fait accompli.

And/or I myself would call the homelessness team and say he can't stay here, I'm kicking him out, find him somewhere, give me some support.

My thoughts exactly.

Glad he’s gone but please think carefully in future. You bringing an adult male into the house with 3 children is very dangerous in terms of safeguarding. Most abuse happens within the home.

Glad he has gone!

I disagree. There doesn't have to be a formal written agreement for him to be a lodger!
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/housing/lodging-and-subletting/lodging-subletting/lodgers/what-rights-do-lodgers-have/
From citizens advice:
"You’re a lodger even if you live with a friend or family member - for example your parents or partner. They’re your landlord even if you don’t have an official agreement with them.
Your landlord might have given you a written agreement when you moved in, but they don’t have to."

He hasn’t got his own room, he’s on the sofa. Therefore not a lodger. I had this with a friend a few weeks ago. A friend had been staying on her sofa for a couple of months and got arsey when they were asked to leave. CAB advised that they had no rights as a lodger (very few anyway) because kipping on someone’s sofa is not lodging. They advised that a claim for housing element of UC wouldn’t fly in this situation, as there are rules about your own space and shared spaces.

The posters saying "he is not a lodger" are correct. Strictly speaking the permission you gave him to stay is called " a licence to occupy", as you were sharing your home with him. And you can remove that permission - which you already have done. He has accrued no rights of tenancy or, after you revoked your permission, licence to occupy. You can require him to leave at any time. If he makes any difficulty, you can call the police and they will take him away.

Kick him out, you owe him nothing. He has had it so easy living under your roof. At 20yrs of age he is old enough to sort himself out...What you must do is, change all the locks when he has gone, he may hand you back the house keys, but has already got a new set of keys cut, he isn't stupid...He isn't a nice person, irritating and deliberately annoying your children shows what a pillock he is....he needs to leave, asap...

Setting aside everything else, this person has been basically bullying your little girl and you didn't get rid of him? Come on OP, really?

He should be paying £500 a month for a start..
He has no rights ask him to leave Pronto

Case law suggests reasonable notice of 28 days but this is not enforceable.

He is unlikely to be classed as in priority need so the local authority will have no duties to find him accommodation.

They may be able to offer financial assistance for him to secure a room in a shared house but that is at their discretion.

He's gone people.
OP posted on 15/01.
She update the following day to say she snapped after another sarky comment and look

@MrsRaspberry
You're a good person with a kind heart.
Don't stop being that person.
If one your children's friends needs help, albeit not staying for a while, do help them (you said you're never helping anyone again).
Stay true to your heart ❤️

It's sad that you doing a good turn to someone has turned out like this.

Did you, at the outset, lay down clear house rules - eg his monetary contribution did not include certain things, expectations as to keeping his room/the house tidy, care of clothing, etc, etc. Young people are often unaware that leaving lights on, using lots of hot water, etc, etc, incurs substantial cost. Of course, you would expect a guest in your home - especially one that you are doing a massive favour for - would be on their best behaviour, but I don't know what this person's background is. Perhaps his life has been chaotic and he has no idea how to behave.

Having said that, I think you are perfectly reasonable to ask him to leave, especially as it appears he hasn't understood that it is he who is at fault - since he has been complaining to a "mutual friend". I would suggest that mutual friend takes him on - and good luck to whoever does.

Sorry, I have just seen that he has gone - but I think my comments are still relevant.

I can understand the OP being reluctant to help anyone out in the future - she has been very patient.

He has absolutely no rights at all… https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/housing/lodging-and-subletting/lodging-subletting/lodgers/if-youre-being-evicted-as-a-lodger/

He wouldn’t have lasted a month never mind eight. I would also make sure everything is locked away and nothing has been damaged because I don’t think he will leave empty-handed or nicely.

He's already gone I kicked him out last week. Don't know if you've seen the full thread mind there's a lot of replies to read through. He has all of his belongings and no access to the house at all

Why are you doing this to your children, get rid of him.

Why don’t you read all of the OP’s posts before you comment.