DS has been offered jobs in Qatar and UAE

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DS is 26, he works in finance and has a good job in London. He has recently informed us that he has been offered jobs in both Doha and Dubai and is heavily considering taking them.
I know it’s not up to me but I really can’t settle at the thought of him moving to either of these countries. I associate them with poor women’s rights, little political freedom/freedom of speech etc.
I am trying to be supportive but I’m actually finding it very hard to be.
It isn’t about him moving away as my DD is in Australia doing a masters degree, it’s just the terrible women’s (and human) rights etc.

AIBU to ask him to consider all of this before making a decision?

@ExitPersuedByAMemory@ExitPersuedByAMemory it's safety measures and comfort.
You don't nerd to use ladies carriage. You can if you wish to.
Ladies queues in gov buildings are fucking bliss too. Guys getting told off when they try to skip queue or get too close with "there is a lady here! Move away!"
Toilets in malls etc are often attached to prayer rooms and washroom, you wash before prayer. Also women there are redoing hijabs, changing clothes etc. I am not even covering but I don't want men in my toilets or changing rooms. It's basic.

How are sexed toilets and changing rooms or ladies carriage homophobic

I have no idea how I tagged someone in previous post?! Sorry!

Could be a great opportunity for him. The human rights side doesn't deter many other expats from going there and living a great life, this is part of the world we live in unfortunately.

I'd say 2 things:

if he's not paying tax then he needs to make sure he is saving not just blowing through it all. he should see this as a way to build a nest egg. is the salary worth it? These places can be v v v expensive to live in

FYI it can be difficult to get back to London after an overseas posting like this. The reality is that there are only so many jobs to go around, most places are operating a pyramid system with more juniors than seniors, and generally speaking the experience you get 'out there' is seen as somewhat less complex/cutting edge/the regulation is less stringent, etc. He shouldn't assume he will just waltz back into a plum job in London afterwards, particularly if he stays a good few years. But see point 1, could still be worth it.

I tuned down an offer there

Others I knew went and found it fascinating experience- but they didn't want to stay there

He's young , he'll learn things - hopefully good things

I really think he should take it. This could set him up for life (I'm thinking down payment in a lovely house or apartment for the future). Potentially it could open up opportunities for him working abroad in the future. A country for a short while isn't so important I think but where he chooses to make his home and the values that the country holds, that's the important factor.

I’m sorry but that is rubbish. I worked in banking for many years with lots of good people. Are you saying that the cashiers in your local branches (the ones that are left) are somehow immoral, evil people?

@Ncncncncncncncncd the reason many places have gender neutral toilets are because in some countries there is acceptance of a variety of genders. Assuming this acceptance doesn’t exist in these countries. They don’t have a great history of gay rights

And again having women only queues, is that because women are the superior sex, or is it more that in some cultures women shouldn’t be around men

If it's any help at all my sister moved from London to Saudi Arabia to work in the medical field about 15 years ago when it was not as safe. She was single at the time and in her late 20s. She lived on a compound and had a taxi drive her to work or wherever she needed to be. She worked there for 5 years and although there were some minor issues at times (mens unwanted attention) she was happy there. She did stick to all their rules and regulations and because of the countries wealth she was able to experience a completely different work environment (not penny pinching uk) with no costs spared in treatments.

I explained that as a woman you can choose the carriage. It's not forced on women. Do you think European parties wanting women only carriages are doing it because they think women are less and should be segregated or does that thinking only apply to ME? What about Japan? I believe Brazil has them too.

Toilets should always be sex based. Simple as in my opinion. And again, attached to washroom and prayer room here so makes absolute sense.

Cashier level isn't were the corruption is taking place or making London the money laundering capital of the world

Japan is a very misogynistic culture

There is so much ignorance about the UAE in the UK. The UAE is a wonderful place for women to live and work. And in the UAE, a "woman" is a female.

@Ncncncncncncncncd No worries. Still a bit confused myself 😅😂

Op son isn't immoral either, thats not what I wrote or was indicating, before anyone decides thats what I must mean to call out the finical sector as an immoral institution

@Bottleup is it a great place for a woman if you come from a poor family, or are gay, or low paid immigrant?

Is anywhere? The issue is the treatment of women's rights around the world, not just in the UAE/Qatar.

And that's how they try to keep them safe from the sexual harassment problem.

What about Germany? Also misogynistic? They are discussing it with the rise of sexual assaults.

Tried to edit but wouldn't let me delete you even! 🤦

Just trust your son’s judgement on this. Personally I wouldn’t like it but once you’ve raised your children you need to trust them.

@Ncncncncncncncncd but isn't that the problem, make women change their behaviour ie go to a separate carriage, rather than tackling the misogynistic behaviour.

Don't think gay women can get imprisoned in this country just for being gay.

If he really has to go then I think Dubai is better. I saw something on the news about a man being detained in Doha for giving a bad review about a company he worked for. Also saw the way they treated a YouTuber for giving Qatar airways a bad review.

I get what you mean. There should be no need. But the behaviour is not getting better no matter how many times people talk about how it needs to get better. We have CCTV, talks, shows, posters, education and it is not working. Sexual assaults are on rise everywhere. I prefer women to have an option of female only carriage if they wish to use it.
Would bet that if they did it especially on night trains and underground in UK, many women would happily use it.

Having worked in finance all my working life, it is no more, nor less, moral than any other sector of the economy. Including charities and the son-called "third sector".

You have clearly never been to a third world country if you think the UK is anywhere near being one.

Say what now? How are women’s spaces anything to do with homophobia? I think maybe a large coffee and a good think might help.