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Hubs won't get the snip!!

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241719robs · 13/01/2025 09:20

Am I being unreasonable that my hubby wont even consider getting the snip? He just replies with 'maybe one day'.

We have children already and I am 99% DONE. My body has been through enough and mentally Im burnt out. After contraception for years, pregnancy, birth, and breastfeeding I dont want to go back on contraception or risk condoms etc. I know vasectomies are not 100% but better than me having to go through invasive procedures again. Im also late for my period and after 2 negative pregnancy tests Ive explained how unfair it is for me to be worrying about this every month. He basically ignored me as he knew what I was getting at.

Am I being a b*tch? Hes not had to go through anything physically and its not like I’m asking him to chop his bits off 🥲

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Willyoujustbequiet · 13/01/2025 11:18

Soontobe60 · 13/01/2025 09:30

What’s with the threat of withholding sex as a way of getting someone to do something to their body that they don't want to do? “get the snip and I’ll let you shag me” isn't the persuasive argument people seem to think it is. In fact, it could be seen as coercive and controlling behaviour!

I disagree.

It's coercive to essentially force women to take responsibility for contraception. A woman absolutely has the right to choose not to have sex without needing to justify it in any way.

Didimum · 13/01/2025 11:18

Fluufer · 13/01/2025 11:15

We can go round in circles all you like, but typical use is how they are typically used. If most people were atypically perfect, this statistic wouldn't need to exist.

Going round in circles because you're not taking into account broad-scale risk assessment as opposed to small-scale risk assessment. If you care about not getting pregnant, you aren't going to use them in the manner of 'typically' – you are going to use them 'correctly', which is 98% effective.

Sassybooklover · 13/01/2025 11:18

You can't force him into having the snip, no more than he can force you to have a hysterectomy. It's a case of using condoms, not having sex or you having a hysterectomy. My husband had the snip, as I could no longer use hormone based contraception, and my body had been through so much being seriously ill and child birth. I was terrified of becoming pregnant. Not all men are willing to have the snip.

Jumpingthruhoops · 13/01/2025 11:18

Fluufer · 13/01/2025 11:10

Typical use is how they are typically used. Most people are not perfect all the time. If you are, then good for you.

Respectfully, this is nonsense. If a woman can apparently 'withhold sex' until her DH agrees to the snip, presumably she can 'withhold sex' until he agrees to wear a condom?

Porcuporpoise · 13/01/2025 11:19

MumblesParty · 13/01/2025 11:14

I don’t understand how people can say it’s controlling to refuse sex in this situation. It’s not controlling. It’s sensible.
If I regularly give someone a lift somewhere, I expect them to wear a seatbelt. If they decide they don’t want to wear a seatbelt, I’m not giving them a lift any more. That’s not me being controlling! It’s common sense. No seatbelt = risk, seatbelt = much less risk. It’s my car, and my decision on what risks are taken in it!

I think telling your sexual partner that no form of contraception is acceptable and only sterilisation /vasectomy will do is pretty controlling tbh. If my husband had said that to me I'd find it quite coercive tbh.

moderate · 13/01/2025 11:20

Sit down together with a pen and paper. Write down all the forms of birth control you can think of. Make sure that abstinence is on the list, preferably at the top. Each of you can cross out any item. Crossing out abstinence entails the end of your relationship.

SleeplikeababyTonight · 13/01/2025 11:21

Didimum · 13/01/2025 11:16

I'm not sure what your point is? No one is saying that condoms and oral contraceptives are as effective as a vasectomy.

Because some are saying that people can get pregnant on any contraceptive, so I was pointing out the lowest risk one.

MumblesParty · 13/01/2025 11:21

Sassybooklover · 13/01/2025 11:18

You can't force him into having the snip, no more than he can force you to have a hysterectomy. It's a case of using condoms, not having sex or you having a hysterectomy. My husband had the snip, as I could no longer use hormone based contraception, and my body had been through so much being seriously ill and child birth. I was terrified of becoming pregnant. Not all men are willing to have the snip.

Are you getting “sterilisation” and “hysterectomy” mixed up?

Llanty · 13/01/2025 11:21

Fluufer · 13/01/2025 11:15

We can go round in circles all you like, but typical use is how they are typically used. If most people were atypically perfect, this statistic wouldn't need to exist.

Those in a committed, loving, long term relationship are hopefully far more likely to be able to communicate with each other and use condoms effectively ( particularly where people track their cycles as well and avoid sex around ovulation ) compared to all the people who are using them for casual sex or where people do all the things they shouldn’t do before they actually put the condom on. So seeing as there isn’t a researcher sitting on everyone’s shoulder , there is most definitely need to consider effectiveness differently depending on how you and your partner choose to use them. They are a perfectly good alternative for women in long term relationships who can’t use hormonal contraception .

Fluufer · 13/01/2025 11:21

Didimum · 13/01/2025 11:18

Going round in circles because you're not taking into account broad-scale risk assessment as opposed to small-scale risk assessment. If you care about not getting pregnant, you aren't going to use them in the manner of 'typically' – you are going to use them 'correctly', which is 98% effective.

This picking and choosing of statistics to suit, is exactly how men weasel out of vasectomies....

Choccyscofffy · 13/01/2025 11:22

obsessedwithfreshbread · 13/01/2025 09:41

But what if he wants a second family with a woman that doesn't use sex as a bargaining tool?

Then he would be a shit father to do that to his existing children.

ShinyShona · 13/01/2025 11:23

Willyoujustbequiet · 13/01/2025 11:18

I disagree.

It's coercive to essentially force women to take responsibility for contraception. A woman absolutely has the right to choose not to have sex without needing to justify it in any way.

I agree women have the right to choose not to have sex. I disagree that it's coercive to make women partly responsible for contraception.

There's a really simple solution, use a condom.

Then there's a really bad idea filled with hypocrisy, entitlement and a level of control that would be considered utterly unacceptable if the genders were reversed. Why do people here think they are entitled to force their partner to have a medical procedure when there is a simpler, less invasive option that allows both partners to choose what to do with their own bodies?

Mirabai · 13/01/2025 11:23

Porcuporpoise · 13/01/2025 11:19

I think telling your sexual partner that no form of contraception is acceptable and only sterilisation /vasectomy will do is pretty controlling tbh. If my husband had said that to me I'd find it quite coercive tbh.

It’s not controlling to say you will no longer take pills and assume sole responsibility for contraception.

He is free to choose to deal with that how he likes: condoms, vasectomy or no sex. OP feels condoms are too risky so he’s left with the other 2 options.

Jumpingthruhoops · 13/01/2025 11:23

Didimum · 13/01/2025 11:18

Going round in circles because you're not taking into account broad-scale risk assessment as opposed to small-scale risk assessment. If you care about not getting pregnant, you aren't going to use them in the manner of 'typically' – you are going to use them 'correctly', which is 98% effective.

100% this! 👏👏
Who cares about 'typical' statistics? We don't want a pregnancy so we use them correctly. That others don't is not our concern.

SleeplikeababyTonight · 13/01/2025 11:23

Choccyscofffy · 13/01/2025 11:22

Then he would be a shit father to do that to his existing children.

Than she needs to avoid the selfish pr** at all costs.

Didimum · 13/01/2025 11:24

Fluufer · 13/01/2025 11:21

This picking and choosing of statistics to suit, is exactly how men weasel out of vasectomies....

It's not picking and choosing statistics – one group literally includes couples who only use them, for example, 8 times out of 10, and the other group use them 10 times out of 10.

Use them correctly, and you are covered 98% – end of.

Beeloux · 13/01/2025 11:24

I think a lot of men are against it incase they separate and can no longer have children with a potential future partner.
Personally I would never get my tubes tied because a partner insisted so I don’t blame them. However you’re well within in your right to only agree to sex with condoms if you no longer want to use contraception.

SleeplikeababyTonight · 13/01/2025 11:25

ShinyShona · 13/01/2025 11:23

I agree women have the right to choose not to have sex. I disagree that it's coercive to make women partly responsible for contraception.

There's a really simple solution, use a condom.

Then there's a really bad idea filled with hypocrisy, entitlement and a level of control that would be considered utterly unacceptable if the genders were reversed. Why do people here think they are entitled to force their partner to have a medical procedure when there is a simpler, less invasive option that allows both partners to choose what to do with their own bodies?

Because a lot of men won't use them, and put it 100% on to the woman.

MumblesParty · 13/01/2025 11:25

Porcuporpoise · 13/01/2025 11:19

I think telling your sexual partner that no form of contraception is acceptable and only sterilisation /vasectomy will do is pretty controlling tbh. If my husband had said that to me I'd find it quite coercive tbh.

@Porcuporpoise OP is saying that the level of risk involved in having sex at the moment is not something she can comfortably live with. She has every right to make her own risk assessment and act accordingly. Of course her DH can decide that he doesn't want whatever risk he perceives a vasectomy to have. That’s his choice. But why is OP’s choice seen as “controlling”, but her DH’s not?

ShinyShona · 13/01/2025 11:25

SleeplikeababyTonight · 13/01/2025 11:25

Because a lot of men won't use them, and put it 100% on to the woman.

At that point you tell the man to eff off!

Porcuporpoise · 13/01/2025 11:25

Mirabai · 13/01/2025 11:23

It’s not controlling to say you will no longer take pills and assume sole responsibility for contraception.

He is free to choose to deal with that how he likes: condoms, vasectomy or no sex. OP feels condoms are too risky so he’s left with the other 2 options.

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You're right that wouldn't be controlling (including contraception) but that's not the choice the OP is giving her husband. Sterilisation or no sex is not reasonable though, not in a monogamous relationship.

Updated for clarty

Fluufer · 13/01/2025 11:25

Didimum · 13/01/2025 11:24

It's not picking and choosing statistics – one group literally includes couples who only use them, for example, 8 times out of 10, and the other group use them 10 times out of 10.

Use them correctly, and you are covered 98% – end of.

It's not "end of" when there's a whole other statistic you are ignoring. But whatever.

ExtraOnions · 13/01/2025 11:26

What is it with these men … Hubby had it, local anaesthetic, in & out in 20 mins, no swelling, virtually no bruising, and an amusing “bollock-harness” (as we called it) he wore for a couple of days.

Nothing compared to childbirth

SpilltheTea · 13/01/2025 11:26

He's within his rights to refuse it.
You're also entitled to refuse to continue baring 100% of the responsibility.
That leaves condoms or no sex. How is that controlling or coercive? Those are literally the options that are left after respecting both parties. Why is it always up to women? He can go without sex or grow the fuck up and take responsibility for his penis.

Willyoujustbequiet · 13/01/2025 11:26

ShinyShona · 13/01/2025 11:23

I agree women have the right to choose not to have sex. I disagree that it's coercive to make women partly responsible for contraception.

There's a really simple solution, use a condom.

Then there's a really bad idea filled with hypocrisy, entitlement and a level of control that would be considered utterly unacceptable if the genders were reversed. Why do people here think they are entitled to force their partner to have a medical procedure when there is a simpler, less invasive option that allows both partners to choose what to do with their own bodies?

I don't think that. I agree with bodily autonomy.

However the vast majority of women shoulder the burden of contraception and often the life changing effects of childbirth. They do more than their fair share. Including the OP it appears.

Men need to step up and take responsibility for a change.

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