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To think women know the 'explanation' for why more young men than women live with parents

222 replies

Echobelly · 11/01/2025 10:15

Was reading this article, and had to laugh at the last line https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jan/11/hotel-of-mum-and-dad-in-uk-at-its-fullest-in-two-decades-study-finds - apparently 'Young men are more likely to live with their parents: 12% compared with 5% of women at the age of 34. Researchers could offer no explanation for this, although the gender differences also existed in other high-income countries.'

I think a lot of women could offer an explanation. 😜

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Sherararara · 11/01/2025 13:09

feelingalittlehorse · 11/01/2025 12:44

I’m amazed that this hasn’t come up before to be honest, because I genuinely think this is a major factor.

When it comes to responsibility in the house and expectations; my general experience of siblings with mixed sexes is that the female ones have much higher expectations put on them than the males.

Absolutely. Presumably hasn’t been raised as it’s an uncomfortable truth for women that many women perpetuate this by enabling it via their own differing bias on their sons and daughters. Daughters are constantly pressured by questions of when are you going to find a man, when are you going to give me a grandchild etc. Sons are the eternal child in mummy’s eyes who can live at home as long as they like. It’s internalised misogyny.

swallowedAfly · 11/01/2025 13:11

Sherararara · 11/01/2025 13:09

Absolutely. Presumably hasn’t been raised as it’s an uncomfortable truth for women that many women perpetuate this by enabling it via their own differing bias on their sons and daughters. Daughters are constantly pressured by questions of when are you going to find a man, when are you going to give me a grandchild etc. Sons are the eternal child in mummy’s eyes who can live at home as long as they like. It’s internalised misogyny.

This surely isn’t the case now? I don’t see it anywhere ime

Sherararara · 11/01/2025 13:15

swallowedAfly · 11/01/2025 13:11

This surely isn’t the case now? I don’t see it anywhere ime

There’s literally posts on this thread describing it - live at home sons who treat their mother like dirt yet the mother refuses to see anything is wrong.

Nerdlings · 11/01/2025 13:16

Surely it more about the parents attitudes towards their children based on the sex of the child.

My mother would go out of her way to do everything for my brother. She would ask my sister and I to do lots in the house but not him.

My son does everything for his self. He washes his own clothes, does his fair share of housework and pays board which covers his share of bills, including food shopping. Every week when I organise a food delivery we sit together and work out what we all need. He always makes sure he is here when it is due to arrive because I cannot carry heavy grates of food to the kitchen.

Mrsbloggz · 11/01/2025 13:17

GrumpyPanda · 11/01/2025 10:32

Found the man! Or should I say, found the incel.

😅
They make themselves very obvious don't they 🤣

Nerdlings · 11/01/2025 13:18

swallowedAfly · 11/01/2025 13:11

This surely isn’t the case now? I don’t see it anywhere ime

It definitely is still the case. My work colleague, at her insistence, goes to her 35 year old son's every week to clean his house whilst he is at work. From what she says he doesn't even want her to do it but she is really pushy and insistent

Jewell25 · 11/01/2025 13:22

NordicwithTeen · 11/01/2025 10:55

Families must teach their sons that not pulling their weight, obsessive porn use and not having any general desire to travel are not exciting prospects for a future wife (or husband). Men have to start teaching their sons how to be better humans. So many women on dating sites love reading/culture/brains, yet all the men don't read. It's depressing.

This is true. I’ve come across a lot of young adult men whose only interests are gaming, sleeping & eating junk food. Most women would run a mile!

catlovingdoctor · 11/01/2025 13:23

NordicwithTeen · 11/01/2025 10:55

Families must teach their sons that not pulling their weight, obsessive porn use and not having any general desire to travel are not exciting prospects for a future wife (or husband). Men have to start teaching their sons how to be better humans. So many women on dating sites love reading/culture/brains, yet all the men don't read. It's depressing.

If that's your attitude you'll probably be stuck on dating sites a while longer...

Leafy74 · 11/01/2025 13:24

Snapyofingers · 11/01/2025 12:46

And men like and respect women so much yeah ?

Lets be real - women like and respect men a lot more than the other way around.

I mean women moaning on Mumsnet or to their mates about men versus men literally killing and sexually abusing and systemically oppressing women and creating social media campaigns to denigrate and insult women (eg Andrew tate).

So often I’ll go on a 30/40 something year old single female influencers social media who is talking about enjoying travelling solo or being single .

She will get so many angry men threatening and insulting and mocking her, calling her a cat lady, expired etc. you just don’t get the equivalent from women posting angry comments on a single male influencers social media who is posting about his single life! I know you can say it’s “just social media” but social media stems from something, it’s part of real life and these hateful men are part of society!

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But if that's their view of men, why are they putting so much effort into trying to find one?That's what I don't understand.

Doliveira · 11/01/2025 13:28

Girls want to play house, boys don’t.

Nerdlings · 11/01/2025 13:32

Doliveira · 11/01/2025 13:28

Girls want to play house, boys don’t.

Strange comment

swallowedAfly · 11/01/2025 13:33

This thread seems to have attracted the incel brigade.

Bigcat25 · 11/01/2025 13:34

Ohnonotmeagain · 11/01/2025 10:30

lol no.

it’s men prefer being looked after, and they are more likely to not be expected to do their share of cleaning, cooking etc. it’s easier for men to live at home.

I know a bloke at uni who lived in halls, then moved into a houseshare for second year. He moved back into halls for 3rd year simply because he got his meals provided, cleaning done, sheets washed etc and he cba.

women will be expected to pitch in with the housework and pull their domestic weight, as well as hold down a job etc. it’s easier for women to live independently where they only need to do their own washing, cooking and cleaning, not do a share of mums and dads as well.

that’s the sad reality.

Interesting. I'm in Canada and if you live in dorms here you are responsible for changing your beds and any cleaning. Meals are provided if you pay for them.

LocalHobo · 11/01/2025 13:34

When it comes to responsibility in the house and expectations; my general experience of siblings with mixed sexes is that the female ones have much higher expectations put on them than the males.
That is poor parenting then, and not something I do/see.

MinorGodhead · 11/01/2025 13:36

Doliveira · 11/01/2025 13:28

Girls want to play house, boys don’t.

Aren’t the ‘boys’, if by ‘boys’ you mean adult men, also playing house by living with their parents, but playing the role of Eternal Teenager?

Pat888 · 11/01/2025 13:37

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Surely young men can do what’s required on Onlyfans or have a sugar momma.

Fleetheart · 11/01/2025 13:38

Nerdlings · 11/01/2025 13:16

Surely it more about the parents attitudes towards their children based on the sex of the child.

My mother would go out of her way to do everything for my brother. She would ask my sister and I to do lots in the house but not him.

My son does everything for his self. He washes his own clothes, does his fair share of housework and pays board which covers his share of bills, including food shopping. Every week when I organise a food delivery we sit together and work out what we all need. He always makes sure he is here when it is due to arrive because I cannot carry heavy grates of food to the kitchen.

I don’t think it’s this: I have always treated mine the same way- also I’m a single Mum so would hope to be seen as quite a capable person. Despite this my DS is much more lazy than my DD , doesn’t clear up after himself, I really have to go on at him to do small tasks like the bins etc. I feel like it’s inbuilt 🙃

Mrsbloggz · 11/01/2025 13:38

Pat888 · 11/01/2025 13:37

Surely young men can do what’s required on Onlyfans or have a sugar momma.

Only if they're willing to be gay for pay, i.e perform for gay men and have a sugar daddy

Chesterdrawswalla · 11/01/2025 13:44

misogynist much? 🙄

as pps have pointed out, OF is unlikely to be keeping half the UK population in employment.

it’s because many men are lazy and more likely to enjoy having a woman look after them.

its a well worn trope on MN that men in relationships rarely jump unless they have somewhere to land. I think the first time they exhibit that behaviour is when they don’t leave home until they have a gf. ( not all men of course, but enough to create the data for this study)

2JFDIYOLO · 11/01/2025 13:44

Are girls just more socialised to and expected to want their own home?

Are girls still more likely to be trained by their mothers to be able to look after themselves (and by extension, a home and family)?

Are mothers generally happier for daughters to leave home - because home is HER domain?

Are boys more likely to expect to be waited on and all the wifemumwork to mysteriously just happen - because again, they've been trained to? Thinking about a recent thread where a mum asked if she was being unreasonable for babying her young adult sons.

Chesterdrawswalla · 11/01/2025 13:45

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The above misogynist remark was about this post!

LostMyLanyard · 11/01/2025 13:45

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🤣 of course! Why didn't I think of this? 💁‍♀️

(What a ridiculous statement!)

BlueSky2024 · 11/01/2025 13:46

Echobelly · 11/01/2025 12:04

I didn't really want to man bash, but I did find it funny that the researchers were saying they couldn't find any reason for it. TBF, I guess they mean any reason in terms of qualitative research, but on another level it was one of those 'Duh, you could ask a woman' things.

But yes, I think it is because (even if unconsciously) men are happier to sit back and have stuff done for them, and women are more likely to accept what will come with living away from home - still. We've not done as well as I'd like with 'gender equitable parenting' but DH does at least 100% more domestically than my dad ever did and the kids have grown up seeing that. I need to chivvy both of mine (teens) to do more around the house, but neither is undomesticated.

I think there could also be a degree of a sadder explanation that maybe young men are less likely to have close friends they'd like to move out with, or to be less confident about getting on with previously unknown people than women?

Because mothers like to do everything for their sons and don’t criticise their sons as much as their daughters

BlueSky2024 · 11/01/2025 13:52

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It is certainly not a common reality, the amount of women actually doing that in reality is minuscule,
You live in a strange world if you think OnlyFans and Sugar Daddy’s are how the majority of young women are making their money

Imjustlikeyou2 · 11/01/2025 13:57

I imagine some of those men had houses/a family but when the relationship broke down the female stays in the home with the kids, lack of money meaning they move back home to parents?