Reform UK neck and neck with Labour?

[NeatDog]

Absolutely shocked to read that in a poll Reform UK are neck and neck with Labour...

About 25% polling share for Reform and Labour.

I thought Blair was the worst PM ever, but Starmer seems to be giving him a run for his money.

What poll are you referring to? Most polls are created with a purpose and agenda. They are not a reliable evidence of anything.

Labour have been in for barely enough time to switch on the computers at their offices. If the people were more patient they would see that turning this country around will take a lot of time. But they will do it. Just not quickly enough for Reform to get enough support which is why something needs to be done, and quickly.

It’s not just the training, it’s whether there are people here wanting to train for those jobs, or could be encouraged to consider them over other roles they could do at the same level.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this Think back now, all the way to June: how many seats were Reform predicted to win in the general election? And how many did they actually get? My recollection is that Reform were not predicted to get many, if any, seats despite doing reasonably well in the popular vote (for a new party) because of the ffp system. E.g. this research from June predicting no seats https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49606-first-yougov-mrp-of-2024-general-election-shows-labour-on-track-to-beat-1997-landslide but they got 5.

If you're suggesting that the reporting from June exaggerated Reform's prospects then I'm not sure that is correct.

Blair invaded Iraq on the basis of a made you dossier. Couple of million Iraqis dead.

The disintegration of Iraq then allowed IS to take control.

Yeah, awesome PM.

You've accidentally made an interesting point. While the middle classes have convinced themselves that we live in a post- class age, it's just tribes y'know, it seems that a political discourse willing to discuss the concerns of the working class has, of course, disrupted the business of the established parties.

How Starmer can think he did anything other than seal the dea when when waved away the concerns of so many as far right brainwashing is beyond me. This is really dangerous on so many levels now and they will deliver us into the hands of Reform unless they act to represent the electorate and not lecture them about the form of their concerns.

New poster.

No link.

Funny that.

See the racism I am talking about here ^^?

Japanese are people of Japan. Somebody migrating to Japan and having family and being generations deep in the country are Japanese.

You sound like the kind of person who thinks race precludes somebody from actually being FROM certain countries.

Are all perspectives equal? I mean, if I went to Japan, I would go because I wanted to experience Japan, not some big homogenous worldwide global culture which is the same as my own at home. What you are proposing is anti culture.

That would be a silly move, given that he is saying it for his own gain. I could say "it's great Musk is highlighting this, what a great guy!", but his reason for doing so is obvious, so although it is being highlighted, it is paving the way for a misogynistic man with very questionable morals, the backing of Trump and a hell of a lot of money and sway to get involved in the politics of our country.

By all means let's take the message, while firmly telling Musk to stay out of UK politics.

I can think of several benefits of mass immigration easily:

Cheap labour, suppression of wages
People willing to do jobs that others don't want to do, such as farm labouring and care work
Taxes paid to prop up the current system: we have too few workers for the number of pensioners, so the 'triangle' of population, with more workers of lower age and few pensioners at the top, has broken.

Of course, these are all benefits to the current system, the existing order of things, the ruling classes, the ones who benefit financially.
Your mistake is to see "the UK" as a single thing - whereas different groupings within the UK have very different goals and economic interests.

Well yes, if it’s your daughter being groomed (even if that’s been allowed to happen because you are a shit parent and have no idea how to look after a child) then what would you do? Would imagine that a lot of us pontificating on this thread are not going to be in that situation. Remember a labour minister saying that the suggestion that some benefit claimants spent the money on fags and booze and tv’s was just ridiculous. Really, obviously never been to a really deprived area where parents don’t parent and do just that. Who do we think they are voting for?

All all these Labour lovers know this was on the basis of knowingly false claims and information. Yet they are steadfast in their belief that Labour and their ilk are still best placed to be the arbiters of what's true and what's "disinformation".

I think the UK is on fire. I don't care who points it out.

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Here. I think.

Can you identify some of the downsides of mass migration too?

"Suppression of wages" is a good thing? I stopped reading after that..

Someone does a job, an immigrant then does the job for less money and that's a good thing?

Is that you Starmer?

I'm sure you can find out.

If a government was able to "ban" a rival political party because they were becoming too popular, we would indeed be living in "frightening times". Thankfully, they can't.

Facts and opinions you don't like don't automatically qualify as "disinformation". If some of your posts of the last few days are anything to go by, you are certainly one of the people you describe as "not possess(ing) the ability to sift fact from fiction".

Starmer and Reeves talked about becoming the fastest growing economy in G7 pre GE and are working hard at stalling that

That has plenty of ramifications for jobs and livelihoods. Was that disinformation? If they keep going it’s more impact than a Musk tweet

It's also not just a UK problem, or a UK press fuelling issues. The EU has the same issues, Canada. So many many countries where citizens are unhappy with liberalism and immigration, so move right/populist. The answer isn't banning those parties, but for the more moderate parties to properly address the issues.

We have so many countries in flux at the moment, and that is not good for global security.

The UK is on fire because one insanely rich nutjob decided to give people the ability to say anything they like and now years of suppressed hatred from deep within working class communities has now blown up like a volcano and we are now having to witness this reality with our very own eyes.

This is an absolute disaster for the stability of this country and Labour need to come down fast and hard before we end up with more riots from the knuckleheads and rabble rousers in our towns and cities.

Thank you. I wonder why OP didn't post the link?

It’s not about them being popular, nobody would be calling for the dissolution of the Liberal Democrats or Green Party if they were to ascend in popularity.

This is about stopping the rise of something more sinister than the world has ever seen. The United States failed in November, we cannot.

Yes that's what we need..the government restricting what we can and can't say on social media, let's change the pound to the ruble while we're at it....