Reform UK neck and neck with Labour?

[NeatDog]

Absolutely shocked to read that in a poll Reform UK are neck and neck with Labour...

About 25% polling share for Reform and Labour.

I thought Blair was the worst PM ever, but Starmer seems to be giving him a run for his money.

Social media is the worst for child grooming/ pornography right now. More should be do stop this.
Elon musk should use his influence here if he really cared.

It’s a been a robust thread op. I’m glad mnhq just deleted the bot type accusations these days

Should have happened before but at least they’re acknowledging the issue, on another thread

And here it is, as if we didn’t already know, who and what Reform really stand for - the BNP, the EDL, etc., etc. Your public schoolboy millionaire leaders haven’t fooled anyone with their guise as being the party of the working class: we see you.

We see you indeed.
Thugs bigots that they are.

Labour have deported thousands of people since being in power. Why not wait more than a few months for the government to sort out 14 years of ineptitude?

Numbers are still going up

It's this type of viewpoint that allowed tens of thousands of kids to be raped.

You're more scared that the "far right" were right in their warnings than kids being raped.

Shame on you.

Yes isn't it many times more than the Tories ever did?

....who were too focused on Rwanda... which was 200 migrants per year max 500 after 5 years.

Labour will struggle as none of their actions will decrease gangs ability to traffic as pledged

They will try with headlines that some will buy but Reform will ultimately gain from the failure

No OP, the victims/survivors at the centre of these horrific crimes were failed by many people and parts of the system - they deserve justice. We now need a government who will take action on the inquiry that’s already taken place; Labour will do this and Starmer, having overhauled the system at the DPP to ensure these very same victims get justice and bring the first conviction against one of these gangs, is well placed to do this.

The BNP, EDL, Musk, Reform exploiting these horrendous cases for votes, media, whipping up hate is disgraceful. Robinson nearly caused one of these trials to collapse.

Perhaps look up the criminal history of key EDL associates of Tommy Robinson and their own sexually violent crimes.

BNP, EDL, Musk, Reform are "whipping up hate"?

BNP warned about grooming gangs 20 years ago. Musk and Reform want a public inquiry. How is that "whipping up hate"?

I don't want children to be raped. Does that mean I'm "whipping up hate"?

If this was white men raping Asian children the reaction from the politicians and media would have been completely different.

@Alexandra2001 - 14,000 plus in six months. That is much better than the Conservatives.

I hope similar benefits which means asylum claimants are not sitting in hotels for months or years, or likewise, failed claimants are not sitting in detention centres for months or years. The cost of this is unbelievable and is outsourced to private companies who are making a mint from it.

Tis funny, 200 per year sent to Rwanda was the holy Grail of deterrents BUT 14,000 deportations in 6 months... is nothing and will see migrant numbers rise.

There is definitely something missing with some Con supporting MN posters.

Deportation won’t do much if numbers keep going up

Plus voluntary return when denied is far less costly than enforced returns

its 14000 less here in the UK and once decisions are made more quickly, returns can happen for x channel migrants too.

Something the Tories should have been doing.

No wonder Cleverly called Rwanda a "Batshit crazy" policy

The OP in the original quote has just referred to the good work of BNP’s Nick Griffin and linked Jimmy Saville’s crimes/BBC cover-up to their ‘diversity’ policy, so it’s very clear that people are very much blaming immigrants and going way beyond that.

A reasoned, informed debate on immigration is totally valid - Reform are not the party for that. We also need to contextualise - shortage of homes has been massively impacted by Thatcher’s right to buy scheme and inefficiencies within the planning system. The NHS needs reform and a government that believes in it - again, not Reform.

Do you have a source for this 14,000 figure?

No deterrent and people will keep coming. Too late now to complain Reform support is going up

Labour will try to manage with headlines but Reform will benefit from their failings

www.gov.uk/government/news/government-removes-highest-number-of-illegal-migrants-in-5-years

‘Since the government came to office, enforced returns are up 24% compared to the same 12 months prior’

This will be costing the taxpayer far more than a voluntary return which was a key way for people leaving

Here it is

An estimate from 2013 put the average cost of a voluntary return at around £1,000, compared to £15,000 for an enforced return.

So Labour might want headlines but voluntary would have been cheaper

But nobody else is having that debate - so Reform have filled the vacuum. don't blame Reform for that...

A flight is a few hundred quid. Add a security guard, few hundred quid more.

24%?

why the fuck is it not 2,400%?

Nick Griffin is a thug.

Voluntary returns are high, many people leave when denied

We will be spending huge amounts right now on this system, which will go up

As for needs to be discussion in pp head in the sand from many. Last few years just usual attacks on this topic every time

None of this is surprising, Reform fills that gap as you said

It is hugely expensive to detain people and keep them there. This figure would dwarf any enforced returns so it's going to save money and set useful legal precedent quickly rather the utter mess under the Conservative Party where they had a Border Force run on very cheap and inexperienced people, who in turn failed to navigate a very complex legal system. That meant that asylum claims piled up in rhetoric courts with incompetent decisions to be reviewed and appealed. That too has a cost.

14,000 plus reflects that Labour have put some money and skill into the Border Force and stopped renewing fat contracts for accommodation.

It is no good having the private sector managing migration. The outcome is perverse; the incentives are to keep people in the country so your contract gets renewed and you make more money.