Brilliant article about the rape gangs in the UK

[Petrine]

I’ve put this on AIBU as it appears to be most read. A brilliant article about the rape gangs and the ensuing cover up.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/07/elon-musk-has-ripped-cloak-of-deceit-off-britain-scandal/

Kemi Bad Enoch is pathetic. I honestly cannot take any Tories seriously on this given they have suddenly decided we need inquiries and it is an outrage yet two business days ago they were in power and did absolutely nothing.

Pearson is a blithering moron and always has been.

The article points out that the inquiry was not into the gangs, but more into generalised CSE. It’s a continuation of the idea that investigating one particular ethnicity for one particular crime is racist. Which is a problem because many criminal gangs are from one dominant ethnicity.

Yes indeed. I don't think that generalised approach is adequate for this phenomenon.

Any link between the Telegraph and honest reporting went down the tubes long ago.

It’s a smart move if so, but one we need to be resistant to, lest we cede even more ground to the far right in this country.

Who’s “we”? Your stance is pushing on the fence posters firmly into his arms! How can you not see it? That’s why I suspect you’re doing it purposely.

You're not alone in that @Adamante

Do people actually think the "Bad Enoch" thing is witty and clever?

Yes I’m starting to think so too!

Yeah, an article by the repugnant Allison Pearson who thinks - among many other things - dwarves shouldn't be on Strictly, which should only feature attractive disabled people and that "lesser mortals" with cancer wouldn't have attended Trooping of the Colour like Kate and wildly exaggerates stories about visits from the police to suit her jackboot agenda. Good try little bot from Elon/Putin''s farm

What I see is shameful Islamophobia on the thread once again. Yes, these incidents were bad but to maintain harmony in all our communities it is time to move on from the angry daily fail readers. The far right are once again pushing their hateful agenda which concerns me far more than crimes many years ago. My husband is Pakistani, I am white British and I am disgusted with the far right appearing once again on MN trying to set us back with potential racism once again.

Labour will not support a national enquiry and it is now time to move on and focus on the future which is multi cultural Britain that benefits us all. We must NOT demonise refugees, muslims or ethnic minorities in this fashion which is the priority of any sane government. Musk is clearly insane and of too low intelligence to even talk about further. As for the Telegraph, don't make me laugh as it is basically nazi propaganda. If it appears in the Guardian - a sensible and balanced newspaper then by all means share it.otherwise don't bother. I won't tolerate bigots, racists or islamophobes and hope mumsnet HQ are watching carefully

I care about our girls, which is why I volunteer in my local community to help women and girls who are violated, first by me n, then by the justice system.

I can tell you, all child rapists are equal under the law, in that they mostly face no consequence for their crimes. Our justice system is universally shit at protecting women and girls of all race and religion; from perpetrators of all races and religion. This is not a new thing, and I'm hoping our collective cries for justice will see improvements for all our women and girls.

https://news.sky.com/story/child-sexual-abuse-prosecutions-fall-by-around-half-in-four-years-12520404

Spot on.

" Yes, these incidents were bad but to maintain harmony in all our communities it is time to move on from the angry daily fail readers"

No justice, no peace.

We will never attain harmony in communities by failing to deliver justice to a quarter of a million child victims of rape and torture and by allowing tens of thousand Asian gang rapists and torturers and their enablers to escape from justice.

I volunteer with a women’s charity too. I agree most face no consequences, I said as much upthread. Still don’t think everyone should be labelled racist for pointing out the failures here and thinking more should be done.

None of the victims of those men/groups were urged to pipe down in the interests of community cohesion, no. Nor were they automatically dismissed as slags. Nor were they selected because of their background. (Incidentally, many of the victims were Sikh, and were “brown” like the perpetrators). The victims were not, however, members of the same community or religion as the perpetrators, which appears common to all these gangs. It’s terrifying to think that such a large number of connected men within relatively small communities across the UK were all willing to engage collectively in such horrific rapes. Have you read the sentencing report? It contained some of the most appalling descriptions of sexual violence that I have ever read.

As I said, I’m horrified by all VAWG. I am also capable of being appalled by more than one thing simultaneously. This is not a “thin veneer of concern” and it has fuck all to do with “brown men” which, incidentally, would include my DH, who is also Muslim, and is as appalled by the plight of these poor girls as me. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I agree with you about Shamima Begum being trafficked and raped.

Disgraceful post. You and all the people on here spouting the same venomous rhetoric owe that poster’s husband an apology for tarring the wonderful Pakistani community in the disgusting manner that you have done.

That splash is the sound of a shark being jumped.

Deeply appalling to be playing these games on a thread about such a serious topic.

Okay you have to be a troll

Well if you like complicated layered news stories told in a simplified fairy tale style, then yes its good, otherwise its overrblown sensationilist baloney

And I also agree that "grooming" is an insulting and deliberately minimising euphemism for what the court reports show was mass rape and torture. Inflating a child's anus with a bicycle pump so she can endure more penis's inside her is not grooming nor is having 20 men downstairs waiting in turn to rape her. Hence I call them "rape and torture gangs" not "grooming gangs".

I also think it is unfair to call them Asian when it is clear nearly all mass rape and torture gangs were from a small minority of muslim Asian cultures (Pakistani, Afghanistani, Bangladeshi) and many Asian cultures have incidences of child sexual abuse lower than UK or European average.

And I also agree that "grooming" is an insulting and deliberately minimising euphemism for what the court reports show was mass rape and torture. Inflating a child's anus with a bicycle pump so she can endure more penis's inside her is not grooming nor is having 20 men downstairs waiting in turn to rape her. Hence I call them "rape and torture gangs" not "grooming gangs".

I agree, it's obfuscatory.

OK, fuck it, this will get deleted but too many posters are getting hurt.

I'm quite sure HappyPanda613 is a troll. I reported them pages ago.

They're being intentionally caricatured and very, very hurtful to people on this thread who are being sucked in and investing themselves.

Fucking disgraceful to do so on such a traumatic thread.

Best medicine is to completely ignore until MNHQ get here to deal with them.

to anyone who's struggling.

It’s by the extreme right wing journalist Allison Pearson on the extreme right wing news website for the Telegraph.

So no, I won’t be reading it.

I've just learned about this thread so, apologies, I've not read all of it. Anyway, I found an article in the Times that listed the recommendations in Professor Jay's inquiry on CSE, how and if they're being implemented.

https://archive.ph/iRa6p link to full article that will take you past the paywall

www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/alexis-jay-grooming-gangs-report-hpzll0332

I'll try to summarise it

1. A cabinet-level minister for children
Fudged Labour claims this is part of Bridget Phillipson's portfolio.

2. A legal duty to report child abuse
Just announced, completely coincidentally!
Grooming will also become an aggravating factor.

3. A national database of abuse
This has not been implemented. On Monday, Cooper pledged to establish it.

4 & 5. Compensation for victims
No comment on implemented, if or when.

6-8. Establish new child protection bodies
A new “Child Protection Authority”. This has not been implemented.
Separately, an independent body to register care home, etc. staff and maintain standards. Still no regulatory body.

9. National public awareness campaigns
So far no government-funded campaigns have been launched.

10-12. Make better use of the DBS ‘barred’ list
I think this is worth reading in full!
The government should ensure anyone taking on staff, to work or volunteer with children, can check Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) lists to check if they have been barred.
Currently employers do not need to check the DBS if the person will be “supervised to a greater or lesser degree”. In 2012 the group of people who needed to check the DBS was actually narrowed.
In addition, self-employed people and those engaging their services are not able to get hold of “enhanced” DBS certificates.
Jay said this needed to be tightened up, but it has not been implemented.
She also thinks the statutory duty to report concerns about individuals working with children to the DBS is being flouted.
She called for the National Police Chiefs’ Council to work with regulators and inspectorates to ensure breaches are investigated. The Times has contacted the NPCC for a progress report.
DBS checks on people in England and Wales also cannot be accessed by employers based overseas, which she said needed to change.

13 & 14. Tackle abuse online
Ofcom has been contacted for comment. I think Labour have legislation in the pipeline regarding online harm.

15 & 16. Make life better for victims in court
Survivors need better support. Speed up the police investigations and CPS charging decisions. Hollow laugh Review compliance with the victims’ code, “still not being consistently applied and followed”.
Increase the three-year time limit to bring a civil claim. This has not yet been done.

17 & 18. More support for victims
Councils to offer fully funded specialist support. It's unclear where this is at.
Records of abuse not to be deleted after 75 years. The ICO has been contacted for comment.

19. Ban headlocks and ‘arm twists’
This has not been done.

20. Amend the Children Act 1989
Courts should curtail council's parental responsibility if a child in its care is suffering harm. This has not been done.

Italics are my comments. Some of the recommendations are irrelevant re. grooming gangs, some are tangential. I can't see that a new inquiry would stop the implementations that have been promised, or make any difference to the ones that are being ignored. Professor Jay's inquiry seems too broad regarding the 'grooming gang' phenomenon and inquiry just by Oldham would seem too narrow.

I don't agree it's islamaphobic although I agree that there are people who are using it who are. These men aren't being demonised, these men are demons. Perhaps that's another reason to have an inquiry, drag it all into the open to demonstrate it's a minority of a minority, perhaps that all ethnicities were abusers, were complicit, that it wasn't just white girls who were victims, that justice isn't two tiered. Or, if that's not what comes to light, to stop it instead of leaving it to fester.

In case the thread survives, just a note to say I'm fully expecting my post above to be deleted.

Asking for an enquiry on Pakistani Muslim grooming gangs is no more saying that every Pakistani Muslim man is a rapist than acknowledging that there is an issue with Eastern European shoplifting gangs is saying that everyone from Eastern Europe is a shoplifter.

If there is an issue with crime, especially crime as despicable as this then it needs to be investigated - including aspects of culture and race where they exist.

Perhaps the Pakistani community could assist with making sure no stone goes unturned in reporting the people that are actually damaging their reputation which is the child rapists among them?