Brilliant article about the rape gangs in the UK

[Petrine]

I’ve put this on AIBU as it appears to be most read. A brilliant article about the rape gangs and the ensuing cover up.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/07/elon-musk-has-ripped-cloak-of-deceit-off-britain-scandal/

Agreed. Jess Phillips last night was much more believable and empathetic to the victims than Allison Pearson or Kemi Badenoch or any of the Tory lot.

Censorship like all the people who tried to help these girls decades ago and got silenced because no one wanted to be "racist".

So far on this thread you've argued justice is two years in jail for raping and torturing kids. You've tried to say we should move on because it was years ago even though it's still going on today!

Would you tell people to move on from talking about slavery of black people because it was years ago? No you wouldn't but apparently this is different because the victims are white.

Reading the shit you are writing is enough to make people go further right so pretty counter productive on your part

The political spectrum really is a horseshoe, isn't it? Openly supporting censorship is quite a feature of the gentry left these days.

That's bound to go well long term.

The focus must stay on the victims and perpetrators and enablers of the perpetrators. Everything else is distraction. I am shocked at the heartlessness of some commentators who can be fully aware of horrific torture of vulnerable children and think that the main issue is rise of the rightwing or islamophobia or look a squirrel! or something else completely irrelevant to the ongoing tragedy of Asian child rape and torture gangs.

People citing the 2022 inquiry as adequate show how little they understand about why many survivors feel they have been totally let down.

It didn't focus on the grooming gangs overall, it was about wider child abuse, and it cherry picked 6 towns without mentioning some of the most prominent cases like Rotherham and Rochdale.

Kemi Badenoch at one point was Safeguarding minister. At no point in her 8 years in Parliament has she stood up and spoken about these girls or the gang rapes and trafficking and CSE in these northern towns. Why then is she jumping on Musk’s bandwagon now? Musk has no interest in it apart from as a topic to beat Starmer with and make money out of via traffic on X.

But yes, get the fuck on with implementing these 2022 recommendations, which is widely perceived as only happening right now because Musk called you out.

Many of the victims still think implementing the recommendations should take priority over yet another inquiry.

This article is utter bollocks

Why don't you want to read about this? It's horrendous and needs bright light shining on it.

The Government tells us there is no need for another national inquiry, instead they will implement the recommendations of the 2022 Jay report on child sexual abuse (CSA). But CSA is not the same as Group Localised Child Sexual Exploitation (GLCSE), which describes the horrendous and co-ordinated abuse by primarily Pakistani-heritage Muslim rape gangs in towns like Rotherham, Rochdale and Oxford, places the 2022 inquiry didn’t even take into account. This is not about mainly white paedophiles, bad though they are. And it certainly can’t be left, as Jess Phillips suggests, to councils like Oldham to investigate themselves when many councillors are drawn from the same intensely tribal community as the offenders.

Excerpt from the article.

This bit is news to me - and very important: it appears that the enquiry we have already had (but not implemented) was broadly about CSA and did not have a close focus on 1) the gangs and 2) the ignoring or covering up, due to either fears of racism or even worse due to collusion by police / councillors / other authorities who were themselves involved with the gangs.

So yes, if that is the case, then we do need another, national, enquiry. Not only into the gangs, and the ideology of multi-culturalism, but also into the cover up: are there councillors or police who need to go to jail for colluding in cover-up?

Such an enquiry obviously can't be run by the local councils.

Then that “article” isn’t the place to look for illumination.

I agree but does that mean none of us should care about it or that we’re far right if we do? Because that’s what a lot of posters are saying.

This bit is news to me - and very important: it appears that the enquiry we have already had (but not implemented) was broadly about CSA and did not have a close focus on 1) the gangs and 2) the ignoring or covering up, due to either fears of racism or even worse due to collusion by police / councillors / other authorities who were themselves involved with the gangs.

So yes, if that is the case, then we do need another, national, enquiry. Not only into the gangs, and the ideology of multi-culturalism, but also into the cover up: are there councillors or police who need to go to jail for colluding in cover-up?

Such an enquiry obviously can't be run by the local councils.

Exactly.

Many of the victims still think implementing the recommendations should take priority over yet another inquiry.

Which specific recommendations? They aren't exactly groundbreaking. And why can't we have both? The 2022 inquiry wasn't adequate or focussed enough. It's great that they've belatedly decided to implement though, you have Musk to thank for that I think.

@Wampyr no. I agree with you we should all be concerned. I just disagree that a new public inquiry is the way to go and she should support the government in implementing the 22 recommendations we have from the Jay report that her government did nothing with, rather than making political points. Yvette Cooper claims she can prove that the govt was already working on these implementations but I'm sure she brought the announcement forward which is good. I can't see what a new inquiry will do. It doesn't hold individuals to account, it's institutions and I hope this country has moved from the world of 2011 when the police referred to these victims as slags and social services didn't want to know.

Far better use of time to listen to the News Agents podcast interview yesterday with Andrew Norfolk, the journalist who exposed the grooming gangs story in 2011 and who spent over 10 years working on it. Much more informed about this than the shit stirring ass across the pond who is interfering for his own agenda only, that has nothing to do with justice for the victims.

Cover up? there have been several enquiries, @Petrine - are you not aware of those? Although no-one has actually done anything. But you should look at the brave and knowledgeable work of Labour MP, Anne Cryer, and journalists Julie Bindel and Andrew Norfolk, who spent 4 months researching and reporting this for the Times.

Elon effing Musk knows very little about the matter: the history, and the multiple enquiries including the extensive enquiry by Professor Alexis Jay. He's jumping on the bandwagon, in a really distasteful way

Have a listen to the latest News Agents podcast, with an in-depth interview with Andrew Norfolk. Or look up Ms Bindel's excellent journalism on the matter.

If Musk were doing what feminists have been trying to do - look after the victims - I might have some respect for him (and you).

This.

It is excellent.

The paywall has been taken down.

Maggie Oliver thinks the "extensive inquiry" you're all referring to even though you don't really know much about it was a complete missed opportunity, and they left out a lot of her evidence even though they asked her to submit it.

@RobinStrike id hope so too but sadly I’ve seen too much evidence to the contrary!

Anne Cryer kept speaking up about this and had so many death threats she retired from politics. Threatening and abusing women for speaking out is not new.

The article points out that the inquiry was not into the gangs, but more into generalised CSE. It’s a continuation of the idea that investigating one particular ethnicity for one particular crime is racist. Which is a problem because many criminal gangs are from one dominant ethnicity.

The last thing we want is for this place to become a haven for far right rhetoric and dangerous free thinkers.

Sorry I don't understand what you are saying - why are these two things lumped together in your mind?

far right rhetoric - obviously a bad thing

dangerous free thinkers - obviously a good thing
All free thinkers are dangerous to the established order of things.

Are you of the opinion that free thinking is a bad thing and should be shut down?