Brilliant article about the rape gangs in the UK

[Petrine]

I’ve put this on AIBU as it appears to be most read. A brilliant article about the rape gangs and the ensuing cover up.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/07/elon-musk-has-ripped-cloak-of-deceit-off-britain-scandal/

It was actually Andrew Norfolk.

Actually, before him, there were women.

I think what people are saying is to ACT on it and stop talking. The enquiry is over. Now it's time to make changes.

What's not going to help is allowing external forces, especially those hell bent on stoking hatred and division, to decide how that looks for us.

That narrative should be about the girls who suffered and stopping it from ever happening again, not a man rallying troops for his new favourite alt-right lap dog, Tommy Robinson, who coincidentally has been imprisoned in the past for beating his wife AND turned a blind eye to a paedophile within his own ranks. Hardly a beacon for women's safety!

What we want, surely, is justice for every woman and girl abused by a man/men and change to stop this kind of crime happening in the future? Not to only care about the issue if the scum who abuse women and girls are brown?!!

The link that you've posted suggests that the phrase and sentiment weren't in any government document from that period. That's pretty "exploded" in my view. Afzal seems to have started a game of telephone - "the police told me that the government said that..."

It was definitely the prevailing attitude - and let's be honest, still is - that teenagers with chaotic lives made their own beds and should lie in them. But this wasn't top down directive. The idea that the police were held back from cracking down on the gangs because of government commitments to multiculturalism - the line of the article and Musk - is rubbish. The police, like almost everyone else, didn't really care about these girls, didn't believe them, and maybe even felt they deserved it.

If you have evidence that children are going into police stations to report being raped and abused by white British men and being turned away then please report it as that would also be scandalous.

At the moment we are talking about children who were let down by the authorities when being abused by Muslim grooming gangs. If you have something to say about other forms of child exploitation why not start a thread.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/heartbreaking-case-sophie-12-year-24270662

Well it appears like these threads will continue to go on regardless, so feel free to continue to rant if you like, both here and on x or wherever it is you get your ‘news’.

But I will say this. Labour will get a handle on social media, and these toxic narratives that have taken the public by storm will be expunged by credible sources with facts and logic. So enjoy the chaos while you can.

Really ?? So Jimmy Savile wasn’t protected, Priests weren’t protected? Bishops? Teachers? Residential Home workers ??

They were all protected .. and many groups still are. Protected by a Justice System that downplays Male Sexual Violence.

The industrialised rape of children continues to this day … mostly by White Men .. but yourself and others are only horrified when it’s Brown Men raping White Girls

Shamina Begum was an underage girl, groomed, trafficked and raped - but the same mob who are now so concerned about “gangs”, are quite happy to say “she knew what she was doing”

The whole thing is racism covered in a very thin veneer of concern.

This. No sacred castes.

I think that’s infringement of copyright @Petrine. Just so you know why it’s been reported.

To anyone claiming that prosecutions happened and so justice has been served: no, it hasn't, not when some of them are out and about again after 2 years.

Thanks to @BIossomtoes and @DuncinToffee for linking to the Andrew Norfolk article. The piece saying he's not a good journalist seems to be a little biased. There was nothing in the article he wrote about the man being invited to have contact with his child that was incorrect. Maybe he should have highlighted more that this was standard, but it did suggest that no one concerned on the council or social services was opposing it, which was really the point.

My biggest problem with the call for a new inquiry is that it's because most people see it as a way to get justice in terms of prosecutions and imprisonment for those in the various institutions who failed these girls. Personal blame is not something a public inquiry can do, and the Jay report has already shone a light on the systemic institutional prejudices which caused them to fail these girls so horrifically. So what will another public inquiry do? Surely implementing the 22 recommendations of the Jay report is a better way forward.
Individual councils will be supported if they want to have an inquiry and they may be better placed to establish blame and prosecutions.

As for the no one took any notice before Musk- as has been highlighted numerous journalists wrote about it-Andrew Norfolk said The Times had him working exclusively on that topic for 4 years! The BBC did a drama about Rotherham, but didn't have the same effect as the Post Office drama because the public inquiry can do General didn't want to know.

Grooming and kidnap in CSE is predominantly Pakistani men. Online grooming is predominantly white British men. Can you see a reason why Musk, at a time when online harms is becoming an issue, would want to deflect and move attention away from X rather than implement safeguards and possibly reduce revenue?

Also, all of the political turmoil on X just increases his income.

Well said!

You’re saying that justice hasn’t been served and then go on to talk about people who are coming out of prison?

Do you even read what you wrote?

Some perpetrators were prosecuted. Many were not. Many who appeared obviously guilty got off because the police and lawyers bungled the prosecution. Many got ludicrously light sentences - community service for rape or a couple of years for violent, repeated gang rape and torture. Some served no time at all - for some pathetic excuse like "dementia" or whatever.

It appears very few or none were actually deported and many appear to be still living happily among the communities they abused. Pakistan refused to take them back - the solution is obvious. UK does not give any visas or send any aid to Pakistan until they agree to take back their deported criminals.

What we have is not justice. The perpetrators must be held to account and removed from the country.

You think that two years for raping and torturing kids is justice? I think you should get off this thread and sit down with a glass of wine because you're talking pure bs

Well said 👏 👏

Nope. I believe she was groomed. I’m also broadly pro immigration. I just think all child rapists should be treated equally under the law whatever their race religion or gender, and that has not been happening. Many more like me!

Sure there are people using this whole mess for political gain, but to say anyone who mentions it is racist or far right is totally wrong and totally unproductive. Some of us just care about girls!

Politics Live following todays PMQs had Lisa Nandy talking about her experience of working with trafficked girls and the huge support she had from Keir Starmer as DPP. When he discovered some abusers had already been interviewed by police before but not prosecuted he was insistent that the instructions for prosecutors be changed to ensure that they would be prosecuted.

And you will celebrate the censorship and still not understand why you are pissing people off.

No ranting from me, just letting one of the many "new style" lefties know its their lack of respect for other people driving the chaos but you keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

But I will say this. Labour will get a handle on social media, and these toxic narratives that have taken the public by storm will be expunged by credible sources with facts and logic. So enjoy the chaos while you can.

This comment is the cherry on top of the thread. The delusion is real.

Paywall.

And I absolutely won’t be paying for the Torygraph.

Exactly, I suspect if we to go to other large forums across Europe we would find the same. Musk clearly wants to turn the tide to the far right.

If the statistically well educated middle class women of mumsnet don’t take a stand then who will?

Censorship couldn’t come soon enough for dangerous far right peddlers and those who bought into their poisoned rhetoric.

You don't have an ounce of empathy for the victims, do you?

So long as you get to feel politically righteous.

The safety of children from abusive men should be everyones concern. No matter if it is politically inconvenient.

We will.

Fortunately many of our noble institutions are well staffed by intellectual middle class women who are well versed in countering dangerous language and rhetoric, so ultimately I am not concerned.

Allison Oearson

“Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch has rightly said that she will try to insert a clause pledging such an inquiry into the Children’s Wellbeing and Schools Bill on Wednesday – let’s see which MP is foolish enough not to support it.”

Is Allison Pearson thick or just another Musk fangirl?

What is the point of another enquiry when Labour are in the process of implementing the recommendations from the 2022 enquiry which cost £200m and took 7 years?

The sly, cynical, disingenuousness of the article and her being so far up Musk’s arse is obvious.