Brilliant article about the rape gangs in the UK

[Petrine]

I’ve put this on AIBU as it appears to be most read. A brilliant article about the rape gangs and the ensuing cover up.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/07/elon-musk-has-ripped-cloak-of-deceit-off-britain-scandal/

Not going to read this but did listen to Andrew Norfolk on The Newsagents last night. That was very interesting. He started investigating nearly twenty years ago.

Just stop. Please.

Most local authorities, especially in urban areas, have child sexual exploitation teams because of the fact this crime is ongoing. The teams often encompass both criminal (county lines/gang violence) exploitation which often affects boys more than girls, and sexual exploitation which is largely but not exclusively targeted at girls.

Because they have driven X so far into the ground with their extreme rhetoric that most sane people have left. They are bored by being stuck in an echo chamber. It’s no fun trying to ‘own the libs’ if they aren’t present.

Therefore they are coming in to forums such as this to turn this into another screaming hate fest. They are like the Orcs from Lord of the Rings or the Dementors from Harry Potter.

I'm not far right. I want to talk about this. Why is it far right? I take it you don't live anywhere near the cities impacted by this or know anyone affected?

Oooh free thinkers, give me rape apologists over them any day!

Are you a fan of Naz Shah, by any chance? She had similar, rather interesting, thoughts on this issue.

Scrolling past the caricature poster...

This was Dorries' (eventual) answer last night to Victoria Derbyshire repeatedly asking her when she had first decided a public inquiry was necessary.

@BBCNewsnight
"I can assure you that the entire time that I was in Cabinet, this was never discussed." Former Culture Secretary Nadine Dorries on the Conservative Party never launching a national inquiry into child grooming gangs during their time in government. #Newsnight

https://x.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1876778141873483814

I keep a hold of LangCleg's wise words, because we all should pay attention to them.

How did the scandal of TV entertainers grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

How did the scandal of Catholic priests grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

How did the scandal of on-street gangs grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

Because if you create a sacred caste of any group and silence anyone asking questions about individuals on behalf of the sacred caste, abusers will see, infiltrate, and groom and exploit children. That's how.

All those in authority who swept the abuse under the carpet in the name of 'community cohesion' created a sacred caste. All those who now suppress those asking questions are doing exactly the same.

To be blunt, your fear of the fall-out from this horror show creates hiding places for abusers. So please, stop feeling so comfortable with cover-ups that you're willing to participate in one.

Male violence is one issue. The issue here is different. It's about whole systems refusing to act on this matter for politically motivated reasons

Why do you want me to stop?

Stop talking about this so as not to offend the rapists?

No idea what happened to the formatting of my last post.

It is a stain on the UK.

It is January 2025, and we still need MEN, in this case, big powerful men with agendas to speak, in order to act. Elon has done nothing special here, except rehash something we already knew, in more graphic detail.

Many women have tried to get our Government and authorities to act. Sarah Champion has been campaigning for years. Maggie Oliver resigned over a decade ago. The Sunrise Team has been raising awareness, the BBC and other reputable news outlets have blown this up before and we've spent millions on an Inquiry and none of the recommendations have been implemented.

Where have you and all the people who are now outraged been? How are you supporting your local community to ensure men are not getting away with exploiting and raping young girls? You have after all been upset you it since reading about Rotherham.

Andrew Norfolk is the reporter who broke the story in the media.

There were key women including 2 abuse survivors and Jayne Senior who ran Risky Business and Labour MP Ann Cryer who were fundamental to him even having a story to report. Ann Cryer’s speech was what first alerted him to the story.

Prof Jay’s contribution in the form of a report in 2014 was also key as was female MP Sarah Champion’s.

There is a lot more sex crime in this country being perpatrated by White Men … why is nobody up in arms about this ?

White men have been raping women and children, in this country, for centuries, why has this not been stopped ? (If it’s as easy as Musk and The Telegraph seem to think it should).

Men have always raped young women and girls, have you read any of the details in the report about why this particular racially-informed, organised and ongoing version of gang rape was overlooked for so long? Shameful that it takes a troll like Musk to give this this issue the scrutiny it deserves. Just as shameful that so many are STILL trying to silence it for fear of stoking the far right.

Sometimes there is a clash of interest between womens rights and race relations - hiding from this obvious fact is only pushing people towards Reform and it's terrifying.

If this happened in another country: 10,000s of girls abused, kidnapped and tortured, father arrested and charged for trying to say their daughtersetc, we call that country uncivilised and advise people not to travel there.

It's shameful there hasn't been much of an outcry.

Allison Pearson uses her considerable writing skills to showcase a load of idiotic thinking-manipulative and ill informed. Where was she when The Times spent years working on this story-a feat of investigative journalism which is so beyond a columnists’s rant it would be laughable if it weren’t so tragic. And her bias against Starmer is unreasonable-the Times journalist who worked in this story said that it was due to changes introduced by Starmer that meant prosecutions progressed and were successful. I feel for the victims who are just puppets for the likes of Musk and Pearson.

If it wasn’t for places like here, like a pp I would have thought that stuff like this happened in the past and wasn’t ongoing and in plain sight that an ordinary motorist could see and click what’s going on.
We should be angry that politicians are prioritising an uncomfortable analysis of multiculturalism over the battle to stamp out Child Sex Exploitation and trafficking. I understand that Musk isn’t doing this out of kindness but if it prompts genuine change then surely it is worth it. The people who failed the children are never going to be named, shamed and face genuine consequences but we can put the national facts and victims stories on record and come up with actual solutions and strategies to this evil problem. Listening to the victims now is the very least that they are owed and I bet that they would be able to offer advice to the people who should be caring about kids (social services, police, schools…), what to look out for and how to deal with things.

I can only speak for my experience in one where there was a definite element of PC rather than corruption - at the time a lot of the elected members were from the local Pakistani community and had links, either as owners or employees of, to local taxi firms. There was a proposal to run safeguarding training for taxi drivers so they could identify children who were being exploited who they might happen to pick up in their taxi (I don’t think there was any implication that taxi firms were actively involved in exploitation but there was a feeling the drivers were likely coming into contact with the victims and perpetrators). It’s years ago now, but I remember there being a bit of resistance to the training - I don’t know if that was because the drivers were mainly from Pakistani backgrounds and members were concerned about the ‘optics’ of bringing in groups of them for this particular safeguarding training, or whether it was more the usual concerns that come up around mandatory reporting proposals. Anyway, it was resolved largely because of an exceptional community safety team who were from the community themselves and did a lot of outreach with imams and through the mosques to bring everyone on side, and it became a requirement of drivers licensing (perhaps still is, or is as standard now, but definitely wasn’t prior to this work being done in the mid-00s).

I assume this kind of resistance also comes from the same place as the howls of “not all men” whenever similar topics come up. We should be throwing resources into understanding how best to challenge that.

What are the politically motivated reasons?

According to the Home Office, grooming gangs of young white men are still the biggest offenders, just less high profile cases. Is there a reason we are not screaming for an inquiry on this?

Male violence is the predominant issue and all this 'groundbreaking revelation ' does, is ensure we remain distracted, failing to protect our vulnerable young girls and boys fr these horrifically predatory men - whatever their racial backgrounds or inclinations.

Exactly. I would sooner trust a Pakistani man over an English one. I know which one I’m afraid of most.

My rapist is not:

Asian
Part of a gang

He is however:

White British
Has a history of predatory behaviour towards women and children (I've come to find out).
Has multiple children who he doesn't see/not allowed to see.
Is a crackhead with no permanent address and works to feed his addictions.
Is protected/enabled by other white British people.

You’re spot on. I used to work in social services in a majority white middle class area.

I worry about this approach not only as it encourages racists but partly because the vast majority of children being abused are not being abused by Pakistani men. All this focus on one group of men will not be beneficial to women and children at large.

The same (white) men angrily denying there’s an epidemic of violence against women and children, are suddenly all so happy to talk to about this. Hmm I wonder why.

@ExtraOnions Because multiple authorities did not conspire to cover up, or fail to prosecute, those rapes to spare the hurty feelings of a particular group?

Because no elected MP’s have (so far) urged the victims of those rapes to “shut up in the interests of diversity”?

I’m as enraged about all SA by men as the next feminist, but industrialized rape of children being ignored or covered up at the highest level, in multiple UK cities, is uniquely horrifying.

Acftually, I am up in arms about that and the light sentences they so often seem to get, but the issue here is that these crimes weren't being investigated properly because of the perpetrators' ethnicity, and that is wrong. Anyone who commits such a crime should be investigated. It should never be swept under the carpet, and accusing people of being far right for even mentioning these gangs is ridiculous.

I don't deny some people are using it as a political tool now, but that doesn't mean anyone who discusses it is far right or being manipulated. Some of us are just very angry.