Brilliant article about the rape gangs in the UK

[Petrine]

I’ve put this on AIBU as it appears to be most read. A brilliant article about the rape gangs and the ensuing cover up.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/07/elon-musk-has-ripped-cloak-of-deceit-off-britain-scandal/

"crimes commited years ago" . It's literally still going on wtf.
People are being hostile to you because you're moaning about the "far right" as if being called far right is worse than all these men raping young girls and torturing them too some were even killed.
Btw the west is destabilising itself already by allowing such high numbers of immigration of men from countries where women are treated like shit every single year.

Erm no....the labour government actively told police services not to prosecute these men as the girls were making a life style choice. This is fact. The labour government set the tone for what went on.

I wish I could say I was surprised at some of the responses on this thread but I am not. I’ve been on and off MN for decades, the overall response of posters to these specific matters has always been shameful.

But then MN has always been a hotbed of classism - a fully acceptable “ism” on these boards and fundamentally no one gives one shit about working class girls because deep down they believe that their lovely, highly educated daughters could never be affected or be vulnerable to such unpleasantness. I think it has always been easy to ignore/play down these rape gangs because of the inherent disgust that the middle classes/elites hold for the working classes. Now some people are shouting about it and calling for justice and you have to hear it. Mostly what these responses tell me is that many believe there are levels of worthiness and the white working class are pushed right at the bottom in order for you to prioritise your preferred luxury beliefs around race, “Islamophobia” etc

I have to believe that @HappyPanda613 is purposely wheeling out the historical cliches used to address these matters because I will be depressed for the rest of the week that there are still people who believe them & feel comfortable saying so publicly if I don’t.

That myth was exploded several days ago. It’s shameful that you’ve resurrected it.

Since when did it become far right to have utter disgust at the rapes of vulnerable teenagers and women?

This shouldn’t be silenced. I dislike Musk (clearly has his own political agenda going on here) and wouldn’t vote reform, but these appalling crimes need stamping out.

That is NOT far right. This seems to be used as a slur to silence people these days.

You repeated the patronising phrase you used to refer to working class voters as if it's entirely normal to talk about people that way and then go on to say if only they'd listen to their betters, people like you, we'd still be in the EU.

You can hear yourself but you really don't see anything wrong with what you've said so I can't help you but you have confirmed what many working class people already knew which is that Labour views them with nothing but contempt and they will vote with that information in mind.

I don't disbelieve that at all. Rape and sexual exploitation/assault is largely viewed by the government, citizens and criminal justice system as consequences of victims' choices.

Young girls in Rochdale etc were being rated because of their lifestyle choices...
The woman going about her business on a Friday night was rapid because of her clothing choices...
Your boyfriend/husband raped you because you failed to stop him.
You're being abused because you just won't leave...
We could go on all week.
We do have entire systems failing to acknowledge issues because of persons' backgrounds, and you're really only likely to be protected if you're from a privileged background.

*Vulnerable young girls are being sexually exploited by White, Asian and Black men and nothing is done.
*White working-class pupils are let down by the education system.
*Black boys are treated as adults, thrown out of schools at higher rates, overrepresented in the criminal justice system...
*Women are left to struggle when faced with domestic violence with 97% of crimes not being prosecuted.

On and on we go.

It is all still going on. The same perpetrators and their allies, many of whom are in positions of power and influence. Everybody needs to stop calling them grooming gangs. It was and still is grooming, raping, drugging, torturing, terrorising and extorting.

Well that’s fine, but I honestly do not care. The far right is rising all over Europe and across the ocean, aided and abetted by the complete unshackling of social media which has allowed toxic narratives unfettered access to the minds of our citizens.

And what are we doing about it? Arguing on a public forum about historic sex crimes that a multi billionaire has decided to dredge up for whatever reason. Ask yourself this, what are you doing to counter the narrative? Our democracy is at stake here.

It was supposedly said by Nazir Afzal, when he was Chief Crown Prosecutor North West England. Details in link. He claimed this is what he was told by multiple police officers. So not exactly “exploded”. It was said and it was the prevailing attitude at the time. Though you’re right there is no evidence to suggest that this was direct Labour Government policy.

uk.news.yahoo.com/fact-check-home-office-memo-143103588.html

@BIossomtoes I was in the police at the time. They can deny Gordon browns personal involvement, however the chief prosecutor at the DPP has confirmed the dictat did go out. This was the dominant discourse on these girls and absolutely set the tone for how they were treated. We can argue about who did or not know. But it happened

I'm not a Labour voter. Stop blaming Asian and black people for male violence in the UK. Blame the rapists, not the ethnicity.

I repeat, my rapist us white British and white British people are complicit in my rape and abuse.

You know that people are perfectly capable of thinking Musk has his own agenda, and not supporting the far right, and still thinking this is worth talking about, right?

You know patronising people won't win them over to your point of view, but rather push them further away, right?

The best way to counter the narrative isn't to sweep these issues under the carpet, but to bring them into the light and actually do something about them, right?

No justice, no peace.

We need to keep talking until a) the victims are recognised and redressed; b) the perpetrators receive adequate punishment for their hellish crimes; c) the enablers (police, social services, councillors, politicians, journalists) are shamed and made accountable.

WTF am I reading on here. Don’t talk about girls being horribly abused, because Elon Musk and Allison Pearson are also talking about it?

Don’t talk about girls being raped and tortured, because it might put people off voting Labour?

Don’t talk about this specific scandal of gangs targeting and raping girls and the authorities shrugging their shoulders about it, because other girls have also been raped by other men, and other girls have also been victims of official callousness and incompetence?

It is possible to be fucking angry about Allison Pearson using these crimes to praise Tommy Robinson and about Elon Musk’s frightening levels of power but also about the horrors these girls went through, and feel deep sorrow for them and admiration for all those who tried to bring this to light. It’s possible to see the victims as human beings and not pawns in some luxury-belief tribal culture war.

It’s possible to be angry that the parade of sacred caste abusers never ends - same shit, different protected caste of abusers - without being racist or ‘far Right’.

It’s absolutely morally bankrupt, a massive own goal, and just really fucking stupid, to try to shut down conversations because you’re so very afraid that the proles might vote the wrong way if people talk about what happened to these girls.

Definitely this. I think the reason many of these people keep brushing people off as racist is they assume it would never happen to their daughters. There's been a lot of focus on how the girls came from broken homes or were in care which many were but there were also many from regular families, I even heard about a dad being arrested for trying to take matters into his own hand. If these people keep defending mass immigration then they might one day see their town end up like Bradford. Just putting it into perspective for some of these selfish people if you can't think about other people's daughter's at least think about yours.

But things are already being done. The cases that have been dredged up are from over a decade ago and the perpetrators were prosecuted. It’s done. These sentencing remarks are just window dressing on an issue that has been resolved.

Why are we even entertaining any of this? We are going round in circles.

its the biggest forum in the U.K. He wants to dominate it and sway us to his way of thinking clearly. Twitter only gets a part of the public. Mumsnet gets another, very different part.

It is possible to be fucking angry about Allison Pearson using these crimes to praise Tommy Robinson and about Elon Musk’s frightening levels of power but also about the horrors these girls went through, and feel deep sorrow for them and admiration for all those who tried to bring this to light. It’s possible to see the victims as human beings and not pawns in some luxury-belief tribal culture war.

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Not all of them were, no, and it's still going on even now. Even if it was the case it had all been dealt with, people are still entitled to discuss it if they want to, and patronising them and telling them to shut up and get over it because some unsavoury people are using it for their own ends is not going to win hearts and minds, is it?

He probably believes that if he can get the middle class demographic of mumsnet onside, then the social paradigm will shift accordingly as it filters down into public discourse.

It’s a smart move if so, but one we need to be resistant to, lest we cede even more ground to the far right in this country.

If we’re going to post articles from the Telegraph then at least make it Suzanne Moore. She’s been covering this for years.
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You do not care. You are on another thread claiming that there are no more than 300 victims of historical abuse, it's not true but even if it was is it not enough!

My posting history will reveal that I (and many others) have been warning about the rise of the far right for years. It's a direct response to the lefts sneering contempt for it's working class voter based. When they tried to talk about issues which affected them they were branded stupid and bigoted.

You are reaping what you sow and now you are trying to silence people as if you think it will reverse the trend rather than make it worse. The irony of you thinking you have superior intelligence would be funny if the rest of us didn't have to live with the consequences or your attitude. Slow hand clap for you and thanks a bunch.