Brilliant article about the rape gangs in the UK

[Petrine]

I’ve put this on AIBU as it appears to be most read. A brilliant article about the rape gangs and the ensuing cover up.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/07/elon-musk-has-ripped-cloak-of-deceit-off-britain-scandal/

What we don’t need is for all of this to be dredged up into the realm of public opinion, where it is likely to radicalise working class men against the authorities, and against communities who just want to live their lives in peace.

I do not want communities who organise child-rape gangs to live their lives in peace.

Obviously most rapists in Britain are likely to be white because the majority of this Northern European island’s population is white.

So they’ve put out a statement with one line about the victims, falsely claiming the majority of Grooming gangs are white, spending much of the statement turning Muslims into the victims , not once recognising the victims were vulnerable white children. “Yet another inquiry” “racist agenda” “requested by people who didn’t g et the answer they wanted”.Absolutely appaling!

What they need to say is “ we fully support an investigation into why largely Muslim men of Pakistani origin are targeting predominantly white female children and subjecting them to gang rape and torture. We are ashamed these men are part of our community. We are additionally going to look at why so many Muslim men interpret the Islamic religion to legitimise this rape snd torture. We will support a through an open and transparent investigation into the misogyny apparent in these attacks and seek to learn lessons to ensure that misogyny and the unequal treatment of women in Islam is eradicated in Britain by throughly examining the religious teachings and working with mosques to ensure that the teachings of Islam make it clear that targeting women and children in this appaling manner is unacceptable. We will pursue every avenue to ensure this is done, we will fully support the police to ensure that justice is served against both the perpetrators of these terrible crimes and those who seek to cover it up and minimise it. most of all our thoughts are with the thousands of women and girls, together with their family and friends who are, and continue to be, the victims of these gangs”

im quite happy if the council of Muslims in Britain want to borrow that wording if they are confused as to what is acceptable for them to say and do
so as to not sound like they consider themselves to be the victims here.

Hold on a minute are you completely unaware of the epidemic of online grooming and sexual abuse of children?

The numbers are horrific( and largely facilitated on Meta platforms).

The idea and pushing of the narrative that grooming and abuse is a Muslim problem is hugely damaging and likely to cause more children to suffer.

Labour, the Tories and the BBC have all let those poor girls down.

I used to think Labour was on the side of the average person on the street. But Starmer was a human rights lawyer that fought to keep these people in the UK.

The Tories had 14 years to have a public inquiry and did nothing.

This is a great well balanced post and many people would agree.

I don't think anyone is saying it's a Muslim problem. There is a specific problem with Pakistani grooming gangs (this issue). It was covered up and allowed to happen because people were scared to speak up for fear of being called racist. You might say a systemic problem caused by race - just the opposite of what we normally think of when we talk about systemic racism.

In my opinion we had it right when I was growing up and we were taught people are people and accept people for who they are. Now everything is reduced to race (eg BLM) so unfortunately this is one of the outcomes of that.

To say there is a problem with Muslim Pakistani rapists does not equate to all Muslim Pakistani men are racists.

There are also problems in families, online grooming, sex trade etc. We just aren't talking about those right now.

Also the 'us' and 'them' narrative was set by these rapist men. They raped because of skin colour and seeing the girls as unholy and unworthy. We were all happy to live and let live remember, so much so that it got covered up.

What does this mean? I don't know but I do strongly feel the reduction of everything to one thing (be it race, misogyny, whatever) just doesn't work. It's a very complex problem but it does deserve to be discussed without fear of being brandished a racist.

This is such an ironic post and for reasons that I think you don’t understand. The girls were targeted precisely because they are white and therefore lacking in virtue.

That is what concerns me. I have read repeatedly that he believes immigration laws are inherently racist, so do we think that years of Tory inaction he will do anything?

Excellent post

In this instance it is a Muslim problem. There is a clear pattern of abuse that needs to be investigated and understood. This isn’t an either/ or situation so stop being reductive in your thinking. UK sex gangs by men of Pakistani heritage should be exposed just as all sexual abuse should be exposed.

The anti Muslim rhetoric is giving a great place for the wider grooming and abuse issues and very white abusers to hide.

It was a great podcast. Norfolk spoke with such empathy and concern for the women involved. It was balanced and powerful, I was engrossed.

@Dalmau how do you know that to be true?

And if that is the case would it not be better to immediately respond to all instances of child abuse regardless of race, and to do so with the full force of the law?

How does not talking about it help?

Also we can't pit victims against victims. It is about the abusers. All abusers should be brought to justice and we should make sure that the systems we have are not unknowingly covering up abuse. Just like institutions like the church have done required.

How on earth have you missed the worldwide epidemic of online grooming abuse and rape mostly facilitated by Meta? How?

Anti Muslim rhetoric and a Muslim witch hunt just takes the heat off the wider issue which covers all ethnicities including absolutely the very big white population.

You are saying making an inquiry into the case will cover up online abuse? It is not possible to focus on two separate issues we have to only consider the bigger issue?

@dcbgr ”According to independent report by Quilliam 84% of all people convicted since 2005 for the specific crime of gang grooming were Asian. ”

I think by using the description’Asian’ or ‘South Asian’ they are just trying to deflect that the rapists were all Pakistanis, by including India, Thailand, Malaysia, Nepal, Indonesia into the catchment.
I’ve never heard of Indian rape gangs operating in UK (though we have all heard of horror stories coming out of India, and Thailand/Vietnam has a child prostitution industry).
Anyway, by now, everyone knows who the perpetrators are.

Starmer was also the DPP who was responsible for setting off a train of prosecuting these men and Jess Phillips has made superhuman efforts to support the victims. It’s blantantly untrue to say that Labour has let them down, it’s the reverse. And why pick on the BBC?

Thank you for your post. I completely agree with you. I’m so sorry your friends and your community were let down so badly by EVERY public body responsible for protecting you and that this continues to happen. It truly disgusts me.

I could not give a stuff that it is Musk keeping this disgraceful matter in the headlines. Were it not for him the current government would continue to obfuscate and deflect just as the last one did.

I am deeply suspicious of all those politicians and posters on this board trying to turn this into a party political matter rather than focusing on the ongoing trauma to the victims. Still they don’t care about the victims. Hideous.

So you are saying that the actions of these two MP are representative of the whole of Labour?

Obviously not. Your comprehension skills really are remarkably poor. I don’t think Badenoch’s refusal to meet with the victims is representative of the whole of the Tory government either.

I don't think enough was done about this issue. It was largely ignored because the perpetrators were non white. You know that, I know that, we all know that.

The BBC has been calling them "grooming gangs". Grooming is when you brush a horse, it's not when you gang rape a child. I think the BBC ignored the issue because it was the "right wing" that originally raised the issue.

The truth is, lots of these girls wouldn't have been raped if the BBC had actually done their job.

The Times did its job. So did Julie Bindel. What difference did it make? Zero. Sure the victims were let down - by the police mainly. It’s splitting hairs to object to the word grooming.

I did respond to the poster who used the term.

Not participating in a witch hunt doesn’t mean deflection from the issue.

It’s possible to care about two issues - the rape and torture of young girls and also the people who gleefully and cynically seize on the girls’ suffering to further their anti-Muslim agenda, which Musk and his some of his cohort here are so shamelessly doing.

Anyway, glad you won’t be posting to me again.

Which city do you live in? We can then see how many crimes your ‘community’ were involve in.