Brilliant article about the rape gangs in the UK

[Petrine]

I’ve put this on AIBU as it appears to be most read. A brilliant article about the rape gangs and the ensuing cover up.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/07/elon-musk-has-ripped-cloak-of-deceit-off-britain-scandal/

I hold my hands up and admit until fairly recently I didn't know the scale of this. Someone posted the judge's sentencing remarks from Oxford and I read them - how I wish I hadn't, and yet I'm glad I did as it opened my eyes.

I don't know how anyone having read anything about these cases could want us to stop talking about it, brush it under carpet in case it offends any religious groups. The victims are the important ones here and I really can't understand how anyone can offended by investigations and talking about cover ups and the ethnicity of the perpetrators.

That's what many are failing to grasp. Not enough has been done. The "recommendations" (and most people banging on about them here are just parroting what they've read elsewhere because Starmer is falling back on them, they don't actually know what they are) are a start, but they don't go far enough and they are not focussed enough.

So am I, OneAmberFinch
As with the sharia advocate mentioned I don't bother engaging with these sort of posts, but IMO they're better out in the open so we can all see exactly the attitudes we're dealing with

I think the horrific crimes committed by grooming gangs are still ongoing. It’s naive to think this is a historic issue.

Bloody this.
I'm so tired of men squabbling over whether it's Muslim men or French men or whatever. It's you men.

Stirring up anti Muslim hate during the riots made women and children unsafe. You could feel it in my town, it was awful. Name male violence whatever subgroup its coming from, and deal with it.

So you don’t think people should have discussed the problem of sexually offending priests within the Catholic Church or ways to tackle it? They should just have said ‘well they are men meh’

Well no actually, because it simply isn’t possible to be racist against white people, so the sentencing should be different to reflect that.

Racism requires a power relationship, that is for sure. But if someone is attacked because of their race (white) by someone not of that race (brown) then it is racially aggravated and should be treated as such.

If someone brown attacks someone white because they, oh i don't know, looked at them funny, then that's just twats. If someone white attacks someone brown because they looked at them funny - you'd have a tough time trying to prove it wasn't down to race, but it might not be. But i don't believe that "reverse racism" is A Thing. But i do believe that people of one race might target people of another race due to that difference. And that should always be considered an aggravating factor.

Stirring up anti Muslim hate during the riots made women and children unsafe

I presume you also call out making Jewish women and children feel unsafe with the antisemitism exhibited at Gaza protests?

This. Misogyny is everywhere. My father is a paedophile. Not Pakistani

No, love, just Brits who have a good radar for student politics. I think we’ll hold off appointing you head of community relations just yet.

She's female, and 'therefore lesser than them'. And she's 'other men's girl' not 'our community's girl'. The primary force here is misogyny. Every comment, every article, needs to centre that. And Elon Musk and Trump are just the same- white women are 'ours for repopulation purposes, not the Muslim men's.'

They're putting through the death penalty for abortion in the USA, and all Musk can talk about is bloody Starmer?

Yes, obviously rape gangs need dealing with. But centring women and the male violence against them is the way to actually get somewhere with that.

@JRSKSSBH

Racism requires a power relationship

so individual white girls in care hold power of gangs of adult Muslim men?

Quite.

The "recommendations" ... don't go far enough and they are not focussed enough

They were never going to, @Ereshkigalangcleg; the inquiries have been government funded and governments aren't going to encourage the disclosure of issues they'd rather not confront

As for the claims that "Starmer's dealing with it", his interest (such as it is) will last only as long as the headlines do, after which it'll all be kicked down to some government committee - the closest thing to eternal life we may ever know - so that future questions can be deflected

I guarantee it

I was commenting on my own community and observations. Where there isn't a concentrated, visible, easily identifiable Jewish population to be directly targeted by racist rioters.

@napody but sometimes (all the time) it is more complex than one primary force. We can't reduce everything to one thing.
To say this is important and needs further inquiry is not to say all other things aren't important too.

The simplistic nature of your thinking is striking. Do class, sex, sexual orientation, socio-economic background, and educational attainment matter or are you ONLY capable of seeing things through the prism of race?

are you writing an essay on Critical Race Theory though?

I think you might want to revise intersectionality a bit more. Because it posits that you can be both part of an oppressed group in some respects, and part of the privileged group in others. So for sure, those white girls are probably privileged in some aspects of their lives (though poor white working class girls don't come anywhere near the top of any piles i can think of) and oppressed in others (the way they have been targeted by grooming/rape gangs)

The problem with things like critical race theory and intersectionality is that they have been taken by idiots and applied, badly, where there needs to be more nuance.

Things can be complex and also have an overriding primary force. Here, misogyny. And skimming over that factor is a sure sign that the individual concerned (Musk) is not motivated by the issue itself, but is misusing it for other purposes. And yes, that matters.

I know why well meaning people come out with the "but all men rape" line and yes, they do. But this is a specific group of related crimes which share common features and was characterised by people of all races who had a duty of care to teenage and younger girls either genuinely feeling, or conveniently pretending that they couldn't do anything because of the respective races of the perpetrators and victims. This has been proven in Rotherham, where there was an inquiry, it's not in any doubt. Please stop with all the fucking whataboutery. Show some empathy to the young girls brutally violated by adult men.

12% of prisoners are foreign nationals. The most represented nationality other than British is Albanian, followed by Polish, Romanian (most of whom I am guessing will be Roma) Irish (most of whom I am guessing will be Irish Traveller) then Jamaican, Lithuanian, Portuguese, Indian and Iraqi.

No African countries were mentioned individually.

Interestingly, while the UK has a Muslim population of 7% Muslims make up 18% of the prisoner population. This is very unusual as with every other religion the percentage in the prison population either closely mirrors the percentage in British society as a whole, or it is under-represented. Only Muslims seem to have a habit of ending up in prison at a far greater rate propoertionally speaking more than they exist in the general population.

I think the 'what about Jewish women and girls' is the only whataboutery on display here.

You really have no right to comment on empathy shown to those poor girls. I'm saying that what Musk is doing is not motivated by empathy... do you think it is?

are you gen Z or Alpha? because boy oh boy you lot need to learn that robust discussion isn't hateful rhetoric.

And you should hang around here to learn a bit of resilience.

TBH on X i am very careful about who i follow and what i "like" and i mostly see football and cats. This is the internet, YMMV

I’m interested in why you think this poster has “ no right” to talk about empathy.

I think the 'what about Jewish women and girls' is the only whataboutery on display here.

🙄 Someone else made the point, in response to someone saying about "anti Muslim hate during the riots" which in itself was whataboutery when it comes to the actual reality of these gangs, and the poster was responding in kind.