Brilliant article about the rape gangs in the UK

[Petrine]

I’ve put this on AIBU as it appears to be most read. A brilliant article about the rape gangs and the ensuing cover up.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/07/elon-musk-has-ripped-cloak-of-deceit-off-britain-scandal/

But by your own admission that isn’t happening anywhere in the world, so why on earth do you think it would happen in the West? Maybe those people who represent “true Islam” need to get a bit noisier.

You are part of the problem. Fear of being called racist and Islamophobe stops people discussing the rape gangs. It must be hard to be a Muslim at the moment with the national conversation being as it is. You have a choice: help things to change and for non-Muslims to honestly understand the religious, social and cultural factors that drive this phenomenon, or stand aside.

Just had a look at my book shelf, I’m fucked if anyone knocks on my door

@namechangeGOT

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat

Sorry! My apologies.

I'm from Rotherham, I was a teenaged girl when others from my cohort were being groomed, raped both vaginally & anally, sexually assaulted in ways women on this board cannot imagine, being impregnated , being tortured violently and sexually, being hooked onto drugs, being passed around between kebab houses and taxi firms, being shipped over county borders to be raped by others. Gang raped in so many cases. And then systematically let down by every authority you could imagine including Police, Social Services & the Labour Council because of who the girls were considered to be and because of who was doing the raping and torturing. Community Cohesion and the fear of causing racial tensions in Rotherham stopped those girls, my friends, from being given any form of protection and any ability of being able to move on. And it is still fucking happening. It isn't right wing to still be talking about, it isn't right wing to be pleased that it has been brought back into the public eye - not that it was sufficiently enough in the public eye to start with.

So many of you wanting to shut people up have absolutely no idea of the hell that was Rotherham and have no comprehension of why victims, their families and people on the periphery like me do not believe that the Government have the first idea of how to 'implement change'. If the Governments both past and present have a single fuck then it wouldn't have happened and it wouldn't be still happening.

For every one of you with your hands over your ears SHAME ON YOU! Listen to what this woman is fucking telling you.

These girls were gang raped and tortured by Pakistani men because they are white.
Those who should have protected them turned a blind eye and their backs on them. That is a crime. How can you not be enraged but use this Op as a way to highlight your dislike of Musk et al..... its not about them its about those poor bloody girls and how being white and working class made them less important than fucking diversity.

If a Pakistani man attacks a white man and his whiteness was the motivation then the Pakistani man is guilty of a hate crime too and should receive a more severe tariff. It is the fact that the motivation was race that is the aggravating factor, certain races are not protected above others in law and the law should be applied evenly.

Man made Sharia law committees really worry me. Patriarchal bullshit. These men are a small subsection of a minority but the damage done is enormous. I think cultural factors play a huge part, enabled by communities taking a chauvinistic interpretation of the Quran and Hadiths.

I couldn't agree more about the need for true Islamists to be higher profile, Feelingathomenow, and that's exactly why I said folk would do well to look to these rather than the corrupting hatemongers

Trouble is some subcultures like hatemongers, because they know how to push folks' buttons so they can focus on something other than their own inadequacy

Doesn't mean a better way isn't available though ...

I do wonder if this is one of those watershed moments where people will be finally allowed to raise their concerns.

it’s rather like the whole trans thing. One moment you’re being sacked because you called Mark a he, the next the Scottish first minister is being hauled over the coals.

British People are generally kind, accepting and welcoming, but we definitely have an enough is enough switch if people take advantage of our nature. Not everyone understands that aspect of British culture and when it happens it can come as a terrible shock.

Islamophobia, racism, Brexit, gammons, racism (again), far right, racist… you missed out bigot, transphobes, Karen, Boomer.. Yadda yadda
And the thumbs up is a bit cringe.

If isn’t the student Union. No debate is over.

Don’t forget to hand your essay in.

The late Norm McDonald was prophetic with this joke:

‘What terrifies me is if ISIS were to detonate a nuclear device and kill 50million Americans. Imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims.’

Except wht we have here is: What terriefies me is when groups of Pakistani men gang rape children in towms across the country for decades, is the backlash against multicultiralism.'

You've lost your moral compass at the bottom of an abyss of the deepest ocean if that is what is worring you here.

Well no actually, because it simply isn’t possible to be racist against white people, so the sentencing should be different to reflect that.

This is exactly what I mean by it being impossible to police without fear or favour in a pluralistic society. Racism against minorities is much more hurtful than perceived prejudice against the dominant culture. You can’t police both crimes in exactly the same way.

Well no actually, because it simply isn’t possible to be racist against white people, so the sentencing should be different to reflect that.

What a crock of shit.

Yes, most child abusers in the Uk are white men.

But most men in these organised gangs, in northen towns, which are being discussed were Pakistani men.
It is a specific phenomenon.

People's inability to understand the disctinction between the general and the specific and just bang on about general statistics as if that proves anything reminds me of Christopher Hitcehsn quote:

Islamophobia is a word created by fascists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons.

Well it seems there are fwer morons susceptible to this tactic these days. Thank goodness.

But, that’s not the responsibility of others. If people don’t want their religion to be besmirched by those they say are not preaching the true Islam, they need to stand up, they need to stand up on Islamist nations and stop basically terrorist governments, they need to do this to create equality for women and people who are gay..they need to be standing up and reporting members of their community to the police where there are crimes. They need to be standing up to people like Tahir Ali who stands in parliament and basically says Islam is the only religion that should be protected. Christianity had the Reformation, Protestants protested against the practices and doctrine of the Catholic Church which they considered unchristian. People wanted change so much wars were fought and people gave their lives to ensure change, that spirit has carried on since. Maybe those who believe the most powerful voices in Islam are desecrating their religion need to do the same.

Also absolutely spot on, JRSKSSBH, but those who've carved themselves a nice little niche to disseminate their foul and deeply unislamic diktats are hardly going to volunteer to give it up

There was recently a very illuminating poster who advocated strongly for sharia law and "taking things to the elders" ... illuminating, that is, because although I'm sure this wasn't the intention they managed to illustrate exactly why it's such a lousy idea

Greater minds than you or I widely accept this intersectional definition of racism over the older and outdated definition.

What if it happened in a predominantly Pakistani area of the UK? When my son was the only white English child in his geography class and he was ignored by his class mates was that racism?

Nope. Anyone who accepts that definition is an out of date dullard.

Great minds 😂😂😂like Robin D'Angelo??

@HappyPanda613

YOU and your ilk ARE part of the problem.

If someone is the victim of a crime because of the colour of their skin then that is the epitomy of racism.

You cannot suffer racism if you are white? Oh get to fuck you dim bint.

Completely right. It feels like enough people have sat up and taken notice that the cries of “You are a racist, and an Islamaphobe” are being drowned out. The white liberal angst of being accused of such things has been weaponised against us to the huge detriment of vulnerable children.

Well even Albert Einstein never understood the cat was both alive and dead..sometimes great minds get things wrong..

It is totally possible to be racist against white people; these Pakistani muslin rape gangs where racist against white girls and should have received enhanced sentencing for their hate crime.

In any case, the law is

An offence is racially or religiously aggravated for the purposes of sections 29-32 of the Act if the offender demonstrates hostility towards the victim based on his or her membership (or presumed membership) of a racial or religious group, or if the offence is (wholly or partly) motivated by racial or religious hostility.

So a Pakistani man attacking a white man because he is white is committing a hate crime.

The victims have white privilege, don’t you know. They sit at the pinnacle of society’s hierarchy so even being sodomised and raped simultaneously by a Pakistani man because they white, means it is impossible to see them as the victims of racism.

I find your post very troubling. Did it occur to you that people posting here are not looking for justice and protection for themselves from up the road Dave etc They want justice for a specific group of women and girls who were raped by Pakistani Muslim gangs (inter-related as others have said ie. fathers, sons and cousins together) who sadistically raped and abused - in groups - vulnerable children. In an organised manner. I’m dumbfounded that some don’t understand this. The desire to hush hush it and worry more about the average Asian cabbie is a terrible viewpoint and is exactly how we ended up here decades on. Of course statistically more white men are racists than Asian. Because there are more white men in the population. But where are the groups of white men organising themselves around the country to groom and abuse girls - to order - to gang rape them in family groups and threaten to petrol bomb their homes. Where is this happening in other communities? Are you really so pig-headed in your desire not to be racist that you won’t accept this for what it is?

Of course not. In HappyPanda’s world your son was the class bully BECAUSE he is white.