Brilliant article about the rape gangs in the UK

[Petrine]

I’ve put this on AIBU as it appears to be most read. A brilliant article about the rape gangs and the ensuing cover up.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/07/elon-musk-has-ripped-cloak-of-deceit-off-britain-scandal/

I am so bored of the “white men rape too” argument.

Don't rise to it and play into their hands - those who want, for God knows what reason, to distract and deflect from this appalling case. If they want to go around yelling " far right" bigots at everyone for demanding answers, let them. It's entirely meaningless.

Not radicalised against multiculturalism, just Pakistani rape gangs.

Yes. In fact, I seem to recall that PREVENT identified that reading the Lord of the Rings and 1984 can often be a sign that somebody is being radicalised into the far right. So it even extends beyond history and into fiction.

Yes I hate these people almost as much as the rapists, their attitude had enabled this the same sort of people responsible for the reckless and irresponsible mass immigration of the last 30 odd years.

Antisemitism is a huge problem but I am not worried about Jewish citizens strapped dynamite to themselves and blowing up a tube train.

Lot of them out there, I don’t understand it at all.

I used to do a car share when I was in my twenties with a Muslim women who supported extremists. She was very open about her views and we had long conversations about it. This was over 20 years ago, not long after 9/ 11. Her views were very radical yet she held down a normal, respectable job as a solicitor.

I haven't seen her for years.

We do not have to pretend things do not exist when they do.

I had another female Muslim colleague who went to a catholic high school who held entirely different views.

Not all Muslims are terrorist sympathisers, not all Muslims are rapists and involved in child sexual abuse, but some are.

And pretending these things do not exist or talking about the fact that they do does not make a person racist or right wing.

I had a friend from university who was later killed in the 7/7 attacks, she was one of the unfortunate people on a bus in the wrong place at the wrong time. This doesn't mean that I hate or hold all Muslims responsible. I am very glad that by this time I was no longer involved in the same car share.

Yeah it kind of inconveniences your racist narrative doesn’t it?

Well that's weird because on this very thread you said

Applying the law without fear or favour is simply not possible in a pluralistic society.There are always going to be communities and identity groups that need greater protections from the dominant culture and that’s just how it is.

Not sure how we can simultaneously 'investigate all crime' and 'deal in the facts' whilst also giving greater protection from the law to certain identities and communities.

You're shit posting, no one is this dim.

Dear Christ - 1984 is standard school reading (and should be read by everyone) Lord of the Rings is a standard journey myth.

I can’t believe anyone can be that ridiculous.

No it genuinely wasn’t pragmatic or truthful. We welcome immigrants out of generosity? No, most Pakistanis came here to fill work vacancies in the 60s and 70s. Now most Pakistanis that arrive are on work or family visas. We could probably control that further through legal means but it wouldn’t have any impact because most of the perpetrators were probably born here! Pockets of the Muslim community are problematic, I agree, I saw it in the general election. But you can’t just say DEPORT THEM! I’m not minimising anything. I’m calling out simplistic racist waffle.

If it is racist to be disturbed by Pakistani rape gangs and the sexual abuse of minors then yes, I am a racist.

I know, my kid has to read 1984 at school, is he being radicalised by the national curriculum? 😱

Those involved in this decade old scandal may be second, third generation British citizens. I am afraid the solutions are not as cheap and easy as ‘deport them’

I don't know if this is a very strong argument for multiculturalism. Read another way, you're saying that even after three generations, integration has failed so badly that this group of immigrants is still forming child rape gangs together and covering for members of their community, which they put above the British rule of law.

Are you sure that's what you want to say?

It’s actually worse than meaningless. It devalues the veracity of the term “far right” (and “racist” for that matter) to apply it to reasonable, mainstream and commonly-held views. What do we call the actual “far right” if wanting rapists and their state-actor apologists held to account is now seen as fueling some kind of extremism?

I don’t see how that is contradictory in any way?

Here’s an example.
If a Pakistani man attacks a white man, then it should be dealt with as a crime and the offender should be prosecuted as such.

If a white man attacks a Pakistani man, investigating it and finding out the attack was carried out in a hateful manner should mean that this crime is in fact different and prosecution should take that into account by handing out a more severe tariff.

All crimes should always be dealt with, but some crimes have an extra dimension that mean minorities may need a little bit more protections or benefit of the doubt. I never said that anybody should be immune from accountability.

Trump would call it remigration. Personally I would chemically castrate any man involved in the rape gangs. But that doesn’t address the problematic attitudes toward women and children betrayed by their exploitation of vulnerable children. Where do those attitudes come from? As I said earlier, Times article today suggested factors include cousin marriages, Islamic jurisprudence and cousin marriage.

Thank you.

I wish I saw your post before responding with mine as yours is so much more concise and well thought out than mine! ❤

You do like to twist things. You seem slightly deranged. To be so determined to police women’s attitudes to rapists.

You said

Applying the law without fear or favour is simply not possible in a pluralistic society

If we do not apply the law without fear or favour, there is no rule of law.

Im sure that information will be balm to the victims of rape gangs.

I used to live near Keighley and I remember Ann Cryer, she was a brilliant mp who risked her safety to help these girls.
This is from 2014.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/30/rotherham-girls-could-have-been-spared-ann-cryer

This exists. Aggravating factors taken into account at sentencing.