Brilliant article about the rape gangs in the UK

[Petrine]

I’ve put this on AIBU as it appears to be most read. A brilliant article about the rape gangs and the ensuing cover up.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/07/elon-musk-has-ripped-cloak-of-deceit-off-britain-scandal/

I’m so sorry.
I admire your soh though.

Hah, it’s not because of their nationality 😂 but because young men are over-represented within immigrant communities compared to citizen communities- and young men are the demographically most likely to commit sexual assault.

That’s why the better studies that track sexual assault by sex and age and ethnicity and nationality show zero difference.

They have tons of bogus “studies” that also disregard factors like age and sex, you’d be shocked, shocked, I say to learn that British citizens are far more likely to die of cancer than immigrants. OMG! Damn immigrants getting priority access to the NHS! (Has screamed the far right press recently IRL) Until you realise, oh yeah, the #1 risk factor of cancer is age and immigrant communities tend to be disproportionately young compared to British citizens. So it’s age causing the difference, not the fact they are immigrants.

It’s depressing how fucking stupid people are and how easy it is for the far right to convince people of lies by abusing bad statistics.

It happened "years ago". ?
It is still happening now, unfortunately.
Who cares, eh, the 13yr old girls are in care or from scummy council schemes, guess they don't really matter though!

Well from the statistics I’ve seen white British men are actually more likely to commit sexual offences than any other demographic.

So to somehow go after an ethnic minority community for a crime that so called ‘natives’ are far more likely to carry out is peak British Exceptionalist Colonial Racism.

Rubbish. You know as well as anyone the dangers posed by Islamist extremists and a blasphemy law will protect them. There is no way to protect moderate Muslims and also not protect terrorists. .

So we shouldn’t have investigated sex crimes in the Catholic Church because other men do it to?

So antisemitism is less of a problem, or not a problem at all?

So grooming gangs made up of Muslim men raping and torturing thousands of girls should not be investigated because Asian men don’t commit more crime?

I am 100% with you on this Tahir Ali’s speech in the commons made it very clear that there is only really an interest in protecting Islam, although he mentioned “abrahamic religions” the wording he used excluded Christianity and Judaism, it wholesale excluded all other religions. There seems to be this thought that Islam together with its followers is special and deserves more protection than every other religion. Is Tahir Ali going to stand up and protect my right to practice Wicca or Satanism? If a Muslim or Christian preaches against Satan and his followers would I be able to accuse them of a hate crime, if a Muslim tells a Christian Jesus is not the son of God is that going to be caught by the blasphemy laws? If not, why not? Blasphemy laws only work in one religion societies, most religions doctrines are blasphemous in relation to others.,

In a free society, all religions can be followed, but at the same time all religions can be ridiculed. No one religion takes precedence over another unless it’s enmeshed within the traditions and institutions of that society. In Britain that is Christianity, we have moved away from protecting that religion over others, we certainly should not even contemplate giving preferential treatment to another random man made belief system that is alien to British traditions snd institutions and followed by a small minority of Britains. We moved on from protecting religions like this several hundred years ago.

Islamist extremism, another moral panic. Listen, the extremism that should keep you awake at night is of the right wing variety.

We have people in this country all of a sudden interested in Anglo Saxon history who are becoming radicalised against modern multicultural Britain, but again we divert focus away from the real issue here n search of an easy scapegoat.

Stop buying in to the narrative.

It doesn't really matter whether they are more or less likely to do it. What matters is that there was (is?) a wide network of rape gangs targeting the same type of victims and operating in a very similar way across the country. How it happened and how could it go on for so long matters and it needs addressing. There was a clear pattern in how they operated, which suggests some of those behaviours were semi-institutionalised.

We put multiple safeguarding options after scandals in children organisations and we need to approach the topic in the same way. The fact that those girls represent minority of victims of rape in this country does not matter, what matters is that if there is a pattern then we can to some put some preventative mechanisms.

Better article in the Guardian
https://apple.news/A0s5UH0tdRYOk85NXhtCzWg

Politics
‘We stand by Jess’: Telford survivors criticise Musk’s attack on Phillips
Exclusive: Victims of male violence sign letter praising minister for devoting life to ‘fighting for women and girls’
06:00 GMT Tuesday, 07 January 2025
A group of victims of gender-based violence has criticised Elon Musk for his remarks attacking Jess Phillips, saying the safeguarding minister had “devoted her life to fighting for women and girls”.
In a letter shared with the Guardian the seven women, including three survivors of the Telford sexual abuse scandal, came to the Labour MP’s defence and said that there was “no one in public life who has done more to support victims and survivors and to advocate for their interests”.
Their intervention came after Musk, the billionaire Tesla boss who is in line for a senior role in Donald Trump’s administration, posted on his platform, X, that Phillips should be jailed and called her a “rape genocide apologist”.
Ex-chief prosecutor rejects Musk’s calls for new child abuse inquiry
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His comments came after Phillips rejected a request for a government-led public inquiry into child sexual exploitation in Oldham. In October, Phillips instructed Oldham council to carry out its own investigation, similar to those set up in Rochdale and Telford.
Three of the letter’s signatories – Holly Archer, Joanne Phillips and Scarlett Jones – are survivors of the grooming scandal in Telford. All three use pseudonyms. The other four signatories – Julie Devey, Carole Gould, Emma Ambler and Nour Norris – have lost a female relative to gender-based violence or have suffered domestic abuse.
In their response to Musk, coordinated by the campaign group Killed Women, the women said that those who “weaponise our pain for their own ends or political gain” should “hang their heads in shame”.
Musk, who is the richest person in the world, has used his social media platform X to share false and unsubstantiated claims about Keir Starmer and his government since Labour came to power.
“We write as victims of extreme male violence,” the letter said. “What connects us all beyond our shared trauma is the support and kindness we have received from Jess Phillips over many years, personally and as activists fighting for change.
“We know there are those who would weaponise our pain for their own ends or political gain; who speak out with new-found interest, not to tackle the horrendous crimes that stole so much from us, but to further their own agenda. They should hang their heads in shame.
“As campaigners and activists, we fight every day to stop what happened to us or our loved ones happening to anyone else. We stand by Jess, knowing she has devoted her life to fighting for women and girls.”
Rather than conducting a new government inquiry, ministers have said the focus should be on implementing existing recommendations to tackle child exploitation, including those put forward by Prof Alexis Jay in 2022.
On Monday, Jay called for the full implementation of the changes she set out in her report, which warned of “endemic” child abuse across England and Wales.
There have been several inquiries into the grooming scandal, including one by the Greater Manchester combined authority which covered Oldham, although critics said it was too limited in scope. The Conservative government rejected an Oldham councillor’s call for a fresh inquiry in 2022.

you really are the gift that keeps on giving.

how about: WE PROSECUTE ALL MALE VAWAG?

how about we prosecute the gangs - there is clear evidence there are gangs.
AND
we procecute all the other low life scum rapists? how about that?

Again: the full extent of the law without fear or favour.

This is one of the thickest and most racist posts I’ve ever seen. Pakistani is an ethnic identity. Most British Pakistanis were born here. There are definitely some problematic attitudes and behaviours in parts of the Muslim communities in the UK. Equally there are loads of Muslims in the UK who are as liberal, respectful and tolerant as anyone else. Those involved in this decade old scandal may be second, third generation British citizens. I am afraid the solutions are not as cheap and easy as ‘deport them’

Except it wasn’t just rape. It was grooming, trafficking, etc and to ignore why one small sub-section of a particular community is disproportionately responsible for these particular kinds of rape gangs strikes me as closed-minded and overly sensitive to the types of cultural reasons that may have caused the problem in the first place. Article in the Times today suggesting that Islamic jurisprudence and the effect it has on how women and girls are treated, plus factors such as arranged and cousin marriages may be issues at play.

Stop mouthing off about racism and use your brain.

No one is denying most rape is carried out by white men (of course as uk is mostly white think it is mostly similar per capita as population). The problem is gang rape which is massively overrepresented by particularly Pakistani Muslims, and was done with cousins, brothers, sons etc which I can't imagine any other group doing. Secondly that it was covered up or worse dad's etc that tried to intervene were arrested themselves. No one in authority has been prosecuted. Third the scale. Fourth the racist element - these people think non Muslims are trash and white child girls even more, they racially abused while raping etc. If you can read the accounts and make excuses, deflect or have more sympathy with Pakistani women as one poster did you are inhuman scum.

Agree 100% and that’s why I posted the article saying that since 2022 we have had recommendations to prevent it and tackle CSE. But the Tories declined to implement it. Another inquiry isn’t what is needed.

All crime should be investigated, I would never suggest otherwise. What is important is that we deal in the facts, and those facts are that you should be more afraid of Dave the builder from down the road, than the Pakistani taxi driver just trying to live his life.

Well "Asian" encompasses a large geographical area. The men in the rape and torture gangs were predominantly of Pakistani heritage. In one town 1 in 73 Pakistani men was convicted of a sexual offence.

WTAF are you on about, having an interest in British history is now some kind of hate crime? What, are they seeing the Sutton Hoo exhibit and becoming radicalised?

In what way do you think that better covers the rape of thousands of girls?

I really need to come off these threads, I can't believe British people have been so brainwashed that they care more about elon musk, jess phillips or race relations (which are in the bin). And our international reputation is so damaged by this, I don't think people realise that either.

I think the argument that there are criminals of other ethnicities so minority ethnicities should not to be investigated or imprisoned, or deported after they have served their sentences, is weaker than a flasher’s pants’ elastic.

Actually it was a good post. It wasn’t rascist, it was pragmatic and truthful. The rape gangs are still a problem so stop minimising it. If you have nothing constructive to add (other than being a rape apologist) maybe shuffle off to another thread.

in a quiet moment you might want to read through your posts.

Because i am not the only one who can read what you write. And in summary it is "wah wah white men wah wah" and the bottom line is that what your posts imply is that these gangs shouldn't be prosecuted because white guys rape more women?

What is it you are actually trying to say here?