Brilliant article about the rape gangs in the UK

[Petrine]

I’ve put this on AIBU as it appears to be most read. A brilliant article about the rape gangs and the ensuing cover up.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/07/elon-musk-has-ripped-cloak-of-deceit-off-britain-scandal/

I don't know who Joe Rogan is.

So why say you have? Weird how the ‘fucking get on with it’ message didn’t start until this year.

i do think it is bonkers to insist that nobody be allowed to talk about anything unless they have been talking about it for years.

People can become aware of various things at any point. Or they might even change their mind/stance on some things.

the MN mantra applies: when people show you who they are, and all that.

Meanwhile. What is important is protecting women and girls. Justice for women and girls. And for that justice to be applied fairly, and to be seen to be applied.

Exactly. And I'm not going to stop talking about women's and girls' rights because some people disapprove. Either because they think I'm "far right" (I'm not, and I used to be a Labour member) or a "terf" or whatever self-serving narrative they have.

We have had issues with grooming gangs in my town.
The main culprit was Hindu from India rather than a Muslim from Pakistan, altough some of the other men were.
Hindu, Muslim, Brown, Black, White its just men isn't it?

So, the issue is both that the amount of media coverage the issue has been given is somehow overblown (you think it should have less?) and also people who weren't aware of the scope of this horror are somehow to blame?

Why are you angry that some people, myself included, were just not aware of the full scale of the organised gang rape, yet also deflecting anger about the issue into political point scoring over which party is to blame?

Your posts make no sense.

This horror is still going on and it needs to be properly investigated.

Are you really arguing against an enquiry, because it might somehow seem racist? That's the very reason this horror has been allowed to go on so long!

I can't get my head around what you're trying to say, but no interpretation of it sounds good.

If you don’t see the hypocrisy in Badenoch and her cohort here ignoring Tory inaction then that’s your prerogative but it does show who you are as well.

There are always going to be communities and identity groups that need greater protections from the dominant culture and that’s just how it is.

This attitude is common amongst the new left (not old-school left) and it completely plays into the hands of the actual far-right. There is absolutely no culture whatsoever which should be treated differently by the law. I'm honestly astounded that people really expect society to function when some sections of it are allowed to simply ignore the law.

you have ZERO understanding of how the law should be applied, or what we even mean when we say that.

Some minorities do need to be protected from some things - the law must still apply to them equally.

And as i keep saying: the law must be applied to everyone equally. Girls and women deserve the protection of the law, for justice to be done and for justice to be seen to be done.

And I will keep saying it, the victims, past, current and future will not be protected until there is recognition of the underlying problem that caused these gangs to exist in the first place. Why do you think these gangs exist? What do you think they targeted young white female children,? Who do you think are members of these gangs?

According to an academic on R4 yesterday, 97% of CSA happens away from organised rape gangs, vast majority of abuse happens in the family and unbelievably with familial rape gangs, sibling and other child on child abuse is also very high.

Which is why the Jay recommendations need implementing, fully, without further a do.

I seriously couldn't give a single fuck whether people you don't approve of, rightly or wrongly, are talking about it. Musk has brought international attention to it, for better or worse, and now I think Labour will have to do more than they bargained for. Good.

i haven't mentioned anyone other than posters. I am beyond angry that this has been A Thing, and shown and presented to various governments since it was all first publicised.

I DGAF who is in power. I do give a fuck that women and girls get justice.

As usual, we are back of the queue for everything. Rights and justice. And i am incandescent with rage about that.

It is clear that you skim read and don't take in what people say.

Only after you going on and on. I think she asked you to leave her alone Why are her past posts so important

Don’t worry, I’m quite sure he will do something along these lines (whilst showing his usual lack of insight into the appalling implications for the British state of institutional cover-up of industrial child rape). Unfortunately, that type of wrong-headed politicking is precisely why KS is increasingly reviled by many people, including those of us in the centre who have no truck with the Tory shitshow either.

Whatever the reason for reviews going ahead, or not , recommendations being implemented, or not I guarantee it is not because Jess Phillips is an apologist for sexual violence or is scared of racial sensitivities. Women’s safety is literally her life’s work. Have you seen what she has had to deal with in Birmingham?

And that also needs addressing. But we are talking about a very specific issue here. Both issues can and should be fully addressed

why not just Google the Rotherham and Rochdale grooming gangs scandal then read widely on the matter, watch the 2017 documentary "The Betrayed Girls", read Alexis Jay's report and then listen to her very recent comments about the way her recommendations were not implements by the Tory govt. Then apply some critical thinking rather than jumping on Elon Musk's and the ensuing right wing bandwagon. Also have a good hard think about the police who judged and ignored those poor girls and treated them as cimminals. It wasn't just the vile men who abused those girls who treated them like garbage. Nobody with a brain is denying that the ethinic make up of the the rapists is relevant but personally, i think the most relevant factor is that this was male predatory behaviour

So you don’t think the wider, law abiding Muslim population should be considered in all this? You don’t sound like much of a centrist to me.

Why are you angry that some people, myself included, were just not aware of the full scale of the organised gang rape

I’m not angry about that, you possibly mean the other replies in the chain.

It’s the people who pretend they needed Musk to ‘shine a light’ on it that I find disingenuous.

Did they also need him to a shine a light on immigration in the summer riots?

The stupidity of this thinking is astouding.

Imagine if the Catholic Church had said: most child abuse is carried out by Men, who are not priests so why should anyone look into the Church instead we should we looking at All Men who abuse and why.

No.

The church had a systemic issue which allowed abuse to take place. That needed to be understood and exposed and people needed to take responsibility. (whether that has suffictely hapened or not is another matter.)

The same thing here.

There is a specific issue of child abuse within a particular group of men which has been allowed topass under the radar and whihc led to the mass rape of children. We need to know why and how and people need to be held accountable.

It's not the past. There are many factors which haven't ben looked at, people who haven’t been held accountable and the exposure wasn't sufficient to what has happened.

Musk is irrelevant. His only role is to have put it back on the public agenda. Good. Now we need to listen to the victims, to the likes of Maggie Oliver and the journalists who did try to expose it.

That there are mothers on here who want people to stop talking about this, about mass child rape, because it's bad for community cohesion leaves me numb with disbelief.
Shame on you. Deep Seep Shame.

Your attitude is why it happened.

When’s the last time you posted on the other issue?

that would be your purity spirals in action, i think. who knows?

Again: what is important here is understanding that this is happening. Understanding who it is happening to. Understanding who (it is clearly not one homogonous group) it is perpetrating these crimes. Understanding that we need to break cycles, bring people to justice and apply the law to its fullest extent (including deprivation of acquired citizenships and deportations where applicable/necessary). We need to compensate the victims and give them the support they need to have at least some chance of a "normal" life.

It isn't rocket science. And even though i actually got my vote back last year (yaayy) i am not so wedded to party politics that i would vote for a donkey with the "right colour rosette". I will always vote in the best interests of women and girls.

And I haven’t said she is anything of the sort. But she did send the request review back to Oldham.

I lived in Birmingham for 20 odd years. I moved away because it had become an unbearable cesspit. I know she works very hard, but I believe she made the wrong decision here. She needs to back track and not let that one poor decision overshadow her great work for women.

The most obvious thing to me is that there is a simmering cess pit of terrible, atrocious action and inaction, across the board, that has laid festering for 14 years while the Tories had the power to make changes, but which is now being trotted out to discredit a Labour government that has been in power for all of 5 minutes.

BBC Verify published an excellent piece recently on Musk's assertions about Starmer's handling of this while he was DPP if people are interested in reading a relatively unbiased account of his time in charge there.

Nobody is denying the massive systemic failures that resulted in the rape and torture, and subsequent cover up, of those poor girls by those gangs. It has been very widely publicised. Since it is still happening, then finally implementing the recommendations of the Jay report is the right focus to prevent these atrocities from continuing. Perpetual review, report and re-evaluation does nothing to actually move the situation on to remedy.

Musk is a disrupter in a similar vein as Dominic Cummings. Neither have any interest in working constructively with others to resolve problems, since the act of disrupting for personal gain trumps everything else. Every time I look at him all I see is Peter Isherwell - the most accurate portrayal of a pantomime villain in film history.

Only after you going on and on. I think she asked you to leave her alone

I did. I also never claimed to have posted about the Jay inquiry at the time. I said I had posted about the gangs at other times, which I have and can be seen in my post history. But I'm not wasting any more of my time on aggressive posters with an obvious political agenda.