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Brilliant article about the rape gangs in the UK

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Petrine · 08/01/2025 10:07

I’ve put this on AIBU as it appears to be most read. A brilliant article about the rape gangs and the ensuing cover up.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/07/elon-musk-has-ripped-cloak-of-deceit-off-britain-scandal/

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PeppyGreenFinch · 08/01/2025 16:10

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/01/2025 16:05

Because a new enquiry would halt the implementations of the current enquiry

Why? It's bullshit fobbing off.

Because the home office can’t implement the proposals if they’re doing a new enquiry.

There isn’t an infinite number of qualified teams.

PeppyGreenFinch · 08/01/2025 16:10

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/01/2025 16:09

It's Labour who are now banging on about the recommendations that inquiry made, so they can get the fuck on with it. I've posted about this issue since I joined mumsnet over a decade ago, thanks.

Why don’t you link one of your posts asking people to get on with the 2022 enquiry then?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/01/2025 16:10

I actually don’t think another inquiry is the priority. I think there should be a criminal investigation into the police, the politicians, the social works, and all the others who enabled the rape and torture of these girls by their actions and inactions.

Exactly. What needs to happen is that people are held to account, and investigations of how it could happen are done in a root and branch manner.

BananaAppleOrange · 08/01/2025 16:10

PeppyGreenFinch · 08/01/2025 16:10

Because the home office can’t implement the proposals if they’re doing a new enquiry.

There isn’t an infinite number of qualified teams.

Of course they can.

Proudtobeanortherner · 08/01/2025 16:11

BeUmberShark · 08/01/2025 14:41

What I see is shameful Islamophobia on the thread once again. Yes, these incidents were bad but to maintain harmony in all our communities it is time to move on from the angry daily fail readers. The far right are once again pushing their hateful agenda which concerns me far more than crimes many years ago. My husband is Pakistani, I am white British and I am disgusted with the far right appearing once again on MN trying to set us back with potential racism once again.

Labour will not support a national enquiry and it is now time to move on and focus on the future which is multi cultural Britain that benefits us all. We must NOT demonise refugees, muslims or ethnic minorities in this fashion which is the priority of any sane government. Musk is clearly insane and of too low intelligence to even talk about further. As for the Telegraph, don't make me laugh as it is basically nazi propaganda. If it appears in the Guardian - a sensible and balanced newspaper then by all means share it.otherwise don't bother. I won't tolerate bigots, racists or islamophobes and hope mumsnet HQ are watching carefully

It is still happening today; how would you prevent it?

oakleaffy · 08/01/2025 16:11

Quitelikeit · 08/01/2025 10:12

It’s behind a paywall

If you know this then why not de-paywall it first

Or do you want us to all sign up to the Telegraph subscription

Why the heck do people waste time posting links behind a bloody paywall?

At least copy and paste the article for those who don’t subscribe to these papers.

Feelingathomenow · 08/01/2025 16:11

PeppyGreenFinch · 08/01/2025 15:59

You can’t accuse an entire community of being inferior and then expect them to want to integrate with you.

You can’t call Muslims ‘a vast, suppurating evil such as the land had not known for a thousand years – continued to blight that good and fair country’ and expect them to want to integrate with you.

It doesn’t work like that.

Have you considered why Hindus aren't viewed in the same way in the UK, why Hindus are very largely welcomed? Why Hindus, whilst retaining their religion and culture, are still largely very well integrated?

People don’t like anyone coming into their country, their community and not assimilating, because if the members of a society don’t have aligned morals and values it destabilises it. Instead, we, the existing community are too to adapt. My son came home from school saying their PE lessons were to be dialled back during Ramadan and that half the class weren’t even going to participate. Most of the meat in the works canteen was Halal (no one was interested in any complaints about that - how other religions could not eat it, concerns about animal cruelty). Outward sneering and ignoring of armistice day silences at work. Changes to social events or refusal to attend client events if alcohol was served meaning others had to give up evenings/weekends more often.

Tittat50 · 08/01/2025 16:11

PeppyGreenFinch · 08/01/2025 15:47

If you weren't aware then that was your own doing.

The issue has been covered in acres of articles and thousand of hours of media.

White grooming gangs get nowhere this much coverage.

Edited

Probably because a significant proportion of people are feeling more and more short chained and frightened by economic circumstances and may link this to what they see as an uncontrolled influx of certain groups. It's all interconnected; one issue is triggering societal discomfort with another issue. I can see that EM knows that.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/01/2025 16:12

Why don’t you link one of your posts then?

Why don't you back off? The advance search facility is available to you as it is for everyone else. This thread isn't about me.

chojoko · 08/01/2025 16:12

Happyinarcon · 08/01/2025 12:03

The media could have blown the whole thing open at the time if they had wanted to but they chose not to.

This is utter nonsense. The Times, for example, did hundreds and hundreds of articles on this precise subject. If you couldn't be arsed to read them, fine. But don't pretend the information wasn't there for you to read. Just because you only get your news off Twitter doesn't mean it hasn't been written about in newspapers for years.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/01/2025 16:12

At least copy and paste the article for those who don’t subscribe to these papers.

People did Confused RTFT

PeppyGreenFinch · 08/01/2025 16:12

lifeturnsonadime · 08/01/2025 16:06

You're clearly not aware that posters have been discussing this issue on the feminists boards on here for years.

Then link some of your posts about the 2022 enquiry then.

PeppyGreenFinch · 08/01/2025 16:13

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/01/2025 16:12

Why don’t you link one of your posts then?

Why don't you back off? The advance search facility is available to you as it is for everyone else. This thread isn't about me.

So no posts then? How convenient.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/01/2025 16:14

Of course they can.

Quite. What self serving nonsense these people come out with when they want to. They can at least start knocking up their "toolkits", can't they?

ThreeLocusts · 08/01/2025 16:15

Thanks nonbinaryfinery for posting the article. The way the groomed girls were failed is outrageous.

Nevertheless, the way the article frames the problem is a load of bull. People did and do not come to the UK because it was a 'good and fair' country. They came to the UK because the UK had colonised their countries. In consequence, they spoke the UK's language and, until the reforms to citizenship law in the 1960s, were entitled to move to the UK without immigration restrictions. And the UK let them in for economic reasons, not out of 'goodness'.

As an EU citizen who lived in the UK and left after the referendum, I assure you I would happily have moved to France instead, or (why not) Japan, if my knowledge of these countries' languages had been up to scratch. The UK is honestly not that attractive, but immigration is what you get for having former colonies and a widely-taught language.

Still, again, the way the groomed girls were failed is outrageous. There is a host of reasons for this failure, among which the sexism, classism and misogyny of (predominantly white) policemen against girls who were often from the margin of society is no less important than Pakistani cultural prejudice. And remember Boris Johnson saying examining the issue further would be 'spaffing money up a wall'?

Starmer did something about it as DPP, Jess Phillips did and does; the TORIES failed to implement the recommendations of Prof Jay's enquiry. Musk does not give a flying fuck about the victims; he's just stirring shit. If he cared, he'd try to address misogyny on X. Surely the UK is better than following his lead.

BananaAppleOrange · 08/01/2025 16:15

Arguing with Labour fanatics about this reminds me of arguing with Scottish Nationalists who claim Nicola Sturgeon was the best thing to happen to Scottish Education….

Tweeteroo · 08/01/2025 16:17

nonbinaryfinery · 08/01/2025 11:49

Full article even tho I'm sick of hearing his name:

Elon Musk has ripped the cloak of deceit off one of Britain’s most disgusting scandals
Starmer’s denunciation of Musk for ‘spreading lies and misinformation’ about Muslim child-rape gangs is an orchestra of discordant duplicity

Allison Pearson
07 January 2025 9:01pm GMT

Once upon a time there was a good and fair country and people who lived in countries that were neither good nor fair travelled to that land and made it their home because they knew it to be kind. But some men who made that land their home brought the values of countries that were neither kind nor fair with them. Such men hated the female children they found in the good and fair country. The girls were white but not chaste; they were dirty unbelievers who went about unaccompanied as if they were boys. They disgusted the men, and they tempted them, which made them hate the female children even more. The monsters, for that is what the men became over time, caused savage harm to thousands of girls – so many that no one is yet sure of the number and may never be, for some were lost or killed. And the monsters drugged and bribed them, they made them sex slaves, branding the girls’ flesh with their initials, ramming large implements into their tiny bodies the better to accommodate four men.

This may be hard to comprehend, dear reader, but the people of that enlightened land did not protect their daughters. I’m sorry to say they abandoned them to their fate. Police, whose duty it was to look after the most vulnerable, either arrested the girls, dismissed their pleas for help or left them with their tormentors. For that famously kind and decent land had fallen under a strange enchantment, which was called multiculturalism. It said that, no matter how wicked or cruel the men were to the children, you must never speak of it. The dark spell, and what a powerful spell it was (enough to vanquish justice and compassion), caused any who dared to say that* Pakistani Muslim men *were targeting white girls to become the bad people. Because all cultures are equal, you see, even ones that don’t believe in equality or which agree that girls who aren’t virgins are whores and deserve to be punished.

And those who struggled against the powerful spell that stifled their countrymen were called racist. And to be racist or bigoted or “far-Right” was to be far more hateful than any hatred inflicted on female children,* *or so the people of the good and fair country were told by their leaders.

And when the monsters swore at the children whom they were raping, saying, “White slag!” “White c—!” – well, that wasn’t at all racist. Because multiculturalism and the BBC* *say it cannot be so.

A few brave women (Julie, Ann, Maggie, Sarah) who woke from the enchantment and warned young girls were in danger from British Pakistani men* *were banished and forced to apologise for being “reckless in my choice of words”. Or they lost their seat in the shadow Cabinet.

And the evil – a vast, suppurating evil such as the land had not known for a thousand years – continued to blight that good and fair country. The authorities colluded to make sure the hatred must never speak its name, and the girls carried their lonely torment within them and their rapists got access to the babies they had impregnated them with. (Oh, yes, they did. So strong was the multicultural enchantment it made people surrender the values they had been born to.)
And the monsters were not banished from the good and fair country, not one of them sent back to countries that were neither good nor fair, in case their human rights were breached.

Then, one day, the richest man in the whole wide world came along and broke the dark spell. Elon had read court transcripts telling what those monsters had done to the female children, and he could not believe such unfathomable depravity had taken root in the good and fair country. Because of his great wealth, Elon could not be intimidated into agreeing that thousands of white girls should have been used as a peace offering to placate the gods of multiculturalism. His righteous wrath shamed the cowardly leaders of the land and in their panic they cried “Misinformation!” But the people were having none of it. For they were awake now and they saw what horrors the brutes had been allowed to get away with. As the wicked enchantment lifted, the malevolent myth of multiculturalism was unmasked, the country slowly but surely recovered its senses and demanded the guilty be found and punished, even unto the highest in the land.

As this is a fairytale, I guess it would be nice to say that they all lived happily ever after. Yet, even after it was agreed all the monsters would be deported to great national rejoicing, there was a terrible stain on the good and fair country’s history that would never quite be expunged. It stood shamed before the civilized world. And in the national memory, lodged forever it seemed, were the anguished, tortured, frightened cries of those who were allowed to suffer and die to avoid stirring up racial hatred.

The girls. The girls. The girls.
‘Shame and devastating sadness’
Sir Keir Starmer has no idea what he’s up against. Not this time. Since he entered Downing Street six intolerable months ago, the Prime Minister’s ability to strike exactly the wrong note on any given occasion has never failed him, but his denunciation of Elon Musk for “spreading lies and misinformation” about Pakistani-heritage Muslim child-rape gangs is a whole orchestra of discordant deceit. Many Britons feel deeply grateful that the billionaire owner of X (formerly Twitter) was moved to intervene in this disgusting scandal, I suspect, and Musk has certainly provoked more soul-searching in 10 days than Westminster managed in 10 years. The Prime Minister’s imputation that those who want a full-throated national inquiry into the evil gangs, and the cowardly state apparatchiks who covered them up, were simply seeking to “jump on a bandwagon of the far-Right” is obscene.

Apparently, thousands of survivors who endured mass rape as children (20 men awaiting their turn downstairs, one woman recalled) are far-Right for wanting answers and accountability. Is it far-Right, Prime Minister, to object that your primary torturer was released early after a derisory sentence and now lurks menacingly outside your home?

That’s what has happened to Liz, who still lives in Rotherham. Liz tells me she wants a “collective inquiry to show the depth of what’s happened and to go after those who failed us”. Like other victims of Pakistani rape gangs, Liz is disgusted with the strange, soulless man who had the chance at his Monday press conference to speak for the whole nation. He could have expressed the shame and devastating sadness we feel that such bestial crimes should have been committed here, and for so long. Instead, Sir Keir spoke out of narrow party self-interest, only sounding vaguely passionate when addressing what really troubles him: Islamophobia.

Exactly as he did back in July after the massacre of children in Southport. Berated by a crowd of locals whom he refused to speak to after hastily laying a wreath, Starmer couldn’t wait to dash to a mosque where he vowed to “take every step possible” to keep the Muslim community safe. That meant creating a new violent disorder unit to deal with all the “far-Right thugs” who, for some reason, objected to three little girls at a Taylor Swift dance class being slaughtered. Can’t think why.

People on social media who, in the heat of the moment, posted deeply unsavoury, inflammatory reactions or retweeted “conspiracy theories” were arrested and jailed with an alacrity and force that was entirely absent when it came to catching the foul fiends who committed some of the most despicable crimes imaginable.* *(One police officer explained to a distraught father that his daughter being raped might actually “teach her a lesson”.)

In both cases, we see the same sly, leftie-liberal playbook. Minimise the rape/killing/trafficking of young girls. Call it “grooming” and not what it is: raping children. Refuse to disclose the ethnic identity of the perpetrators to prevent “racism”. Accuse anyone who mentions the religion or ethnicity of the perpetrators of bigotry and “dog-whistle” politics. Under pressure, admit that the perpetrators are “Asians” (to the understandable anger of Sikhs, Hindus and Christians). Deflect attention from the sheer stomach-churning horror of the crimes and the wild, unappeasable sorrow of the victims and switch the focus to the “inappropriate” language or “harmful rhetoric” of people who are prepared to call out the most depraved assaults and most shocking cover-up in British history.

Sir Keir genuinely seems more outraged about Elon Musk calling safeguarding minister Jess Phillips a “genocidal rape apologist” for her refusal to authorise a national inquiry into the Oldham scandal (she insists the council can have its own inquiry) than he is about the 12-year-old who was driven at night to a Yorkshire wood where she was forced to give oral sex to at least 10 men (more cars kept arriving as word spread) before being left alone in the dark.

If a prime minister can’t empathise, just for a few seconds, with the terror that child experienced then he shouldn’t be leading the country. But Starmer was clearly far more at ease saying he was “very shocked and angered” at the killing of George Floyd, a black American for whom he fell to one knee. As I have learnt since Essex police called on me over an alleged hate crime, British institutions, from Parliament to the police, are obsessed with “protected characteristics” enshrined in the Equality Act. In 2013, if you were a white working-class kid in care in Keighley, who was passed around from uncle to cousin to nephew, forget it. No characteristics worth protecting, love. In fact, in the unlikely event that poor child had ever plucked up courage to go to the council or the police, her complaint would have been viewed as unhelpful to the greater goal of anti-racism and diversity. Had the ethnic profiles been reversed – the child was black or Muslim and the bastards who pimped her out white – you can bet we would never have heard the end of it. The British Establishment had something in common with the rapists: they saw the girls as white trash.

Viewing everything through the prism of race is a disease of the elite liberal and bureaucratic class, not just here but throughout a self-loathing Western world which sees merit in every culture but its own. In a response on X to Musk and the rape-gangs scandal, the historian and Times columnist Sathnam Sanghera posted: “Of course, the vivid fear of ‘innocent white women’ being violated by brown men was one of the great drivers of British imperial racism.” Does Sanghera actually think thousands of brutalised white girls in up to 50 British towns and villages from Rochdale to Oxford made up their ordeals in order to cast racist aspersions on innocent brown men? He quickly deleted his tweet after it caused outrage, so maybe it was just fashionable posturing, but revealing for all that. Holding the opinion that non-white people are somehow always victims is a sign of social superiority, marking one out from ghastly fascist proles like Tommy Robinson. Whatever Robinson’s manifold flaws, he inspires huge loyalty among his supporters because he has fought like a lion for girls from his social class. Girls who former Labour home secretary Jack Straw admitted were regarded as “easy meat” by some of his Pakistani constituents.

Thanks to all the big-hearted, bien-pensant apologists for child rapists – including Labour politicians increasingly dependent on the Muslim vote–- our international reputation is in the gutter. In the US, The Free Press ran a major article this week headlined: “The Biggest Peacetime Crime – and Cover-up – in British History”. How did our society sink to these depths of depravity? It is clear that every tier of the system is implicated in the whitewash.

Lucy Allan, who was the Conservative MP for Telford from 2015-2024, explained to me how even those who do try to fight for the victims are thwarted and obstructed. After she’d met survivors in her Shropshire town, Allan started speaking out in Parliament. The pushback was intense. “There was a co-ordinated official response by people in positions of power.* Shaun Davies, Telford Council Leader (now the town’s Labour MP), immediately published a letter to the Home Secretary stating that no inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation (CSE) was necessary. He backed up his assertion with claims that we now know were false. Multiple senior men were asked to be co-signatories to his claims and they all readily agreed.” Instead of trying to right heinous wrongs, Telford councillors set about discrediting the messengers. Lucy Allan was accused of “lying, causing division, racism, being unbalanced, irrational, stupid and motivated not by a desire to help victims but to score political points. This narrative was relentlessly pushed for as long as I campaigned on the issue. *It had the intended effect of ensuring that the voice I sought to be for victims would not be heard.”

Lucy Allan, the former Conservative MP for Telford, was accused of ‘lying, racism and trying to score political points’ Credit: Andrew Fox

Most extraordinary was an unexpected visit the MP received from Anthony Bangham, then the Chief Constable of West Mercia, and John Campion, the Police and Crime Commissioner. “The Chief Constable was disparaging about Rotherham MP Sarah Champion, suggesting she was exaggerating the grooming gangs issue and was discredited,” Lucy recalls. “He said: ‘You wouldn’t want to be known as a troublemaker like Sarah Champion. It will harm your reputation and career.’” Since when is it the role of a chief constable to warn a democratically-elected MP not to campaign for her traumatised constituents?
Even Allan’s Conservative colleagues could be disapproving. “The newly-minted Junior Minister for Safeguarding, Vicky Atkins, told me not to speak to the media on the subject as ‘you do not understand the issues’. I was summoned by Conservative Peer Baroness Warsi to explain myself.”

Lucy Allan came up against the oft-repeated refrain that, as 90 per cent of child abuse is committed by white men in domestic settings, why didn’t she concern herself with that as it was a more significant problem? She saw this as “a blatant denial of the existence of groups of inter-related men of Pakistani heritage preying on young girls at school gates, in takeaways, taxis and playgrounds. They did not want to know.”
Victims were often blamed, she says, with one young girl being described by police as “‘having been in contact with 53 different Asian males’ as if it were by choice! There was complete denial that these men were related to each other through cousin marriage and were engaged in a joint enterprise.”

Now that she has lost her seat, Allan is free to deliver a brutally honest verdict. “The people in power believed that being honest about what had happened to the girls would fuel racial tensions. They pushed a narrative that hiding the problem was in the interests of the community, that looking the other way would cement social cohesion and protect society.” That line, Lucy now knows for a fact, was pushed by Home Office officials. She has watched as junior ministers, both Conservative and Labour, have spun the same lines, “almost word for word, clearly at the behest of civil servants”.

That “denial strategy” may once have been well-intentioned (a noble lie), but those who enforced it – from the House of Commons to the police stations to the BBC – became the enemies of justice, the willing accomplices of the Devil. The social contract between the state and the individual is in tatters. They lied to us, and the public knows they lied.

What now? The Government tells us there is no need for another national inquiry, instead they will implement the recommendations of the 2022 Jay report on child sexual abuse (CSA). But CSA is not the same as Group Localised Child Sexual Exploitation (GLCSE), which describes the horrendous and co-ordinated abuse by primarily Pakistani-heritage Muslim rape gangs in towns like Rotherham, Rochdale and Oxford, places the 2022 inquiry didn’t even take into account. This is not about mainly white paedophiles, bad though they are. And it certainly can’t be left, as Jess Phillips suggests, to councils like Oldham to investigate themselves when many councillors are drawn from the same intensely tribal community as the offenders.
‘The failed model of multiculturalism must be opened up to scrutiny’

We must do what the girls want. They went unheard for so long. And if they want a national inquiry into the British Pakistani child-rape gangs – call them what they are, no obfuscation, no denial, no soothing words – then they must have it. Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch has rightly said that she will try to insert a clause pledging such an inquiry into the Children’s Wellbeing and Schools Bill on Wednesday – let’s see which MP is foolish enough not to support it. The failed model of multiculturalism must be opened up to scrutiny and a furious public will be entitled to hear why, if it was such a brilliant idea, it could only be maintained via orchestrated deception by the media, the police and most of the political class. All of the rapists who hold dual nationality must be deported. Millions of us would vote for that, wouldn’t we?

Thanks to Elon Musk the multiculturalism cloak of denial and deceit has been ripped off and the left are suddenly revealed to have no clothes. On the Today programme yesterday, Nick Robinson tried to demolish Robert Jenrick with talk of harmful “rhetoric” and accusations that Jenrick was seeking to limit immigration to the UK from what he called “alien cultures”. So what? Insulting and betraying the interests of the white majority doesn’t work any more, Nick. The shadow justice secretary stood his ground. In his calm, unrattled confidence, you detected that he knew now that he was talking for Britain and would not be afraid to do so. “We have seen millions of people enter the UK in recent years and some of them have backward, frankly medieval attitudes to women”.

You know, as the debate over Musk’s “interference” rages and Labour sees the edifice of diversity politics crashing around their ears, and Starmer looks more inhuman by the day, it’s easy to forget what this is about. Why it matters so very much. Over the weekend, I made myself read the sentencing remarks of His Honour Judge Peter Rook after the trial of Akhtar Dogar, Anjum Dogar, Kamar Jamil, Mohammed Karrar and Basam Karrar. My God. In paragraph after paragraph, the judge outlines what those Pakistani-heritage brutes did to their victims. Less like sexual abuse than the kind of atrocities you encounter only in wartime. “Years of sheer torture .. great brutality.. robbed of their adolescence… torment and distress.. apart from using her for your own sexual gratification you coerced her into providing sex to vast numbers of strangers. Up to four or five men would be invited to addresses so they could have sex with her. Customers would become angry. Strangers would burn her with cigarettes. Slapped. She said the men had a ‘pack mentality’. Grabbing her by the ponytail and forcing her head down onto his penis. Drink and drugs to make them more malleable. One inserted a hairbrush into her vagina. She suffers from self-loathing. Nightmares, panic attacks, flashbacks, PTSD. Despite being the victim she carries with her a great burden of shame and embarrassment… one of vaginal rape, one of oral rape, one of arranging child prostitution, wilful blindness by the authorities, wicked plan to punish her for lying that she had her period, one of vaginal rape, one of oral rape, rape, rape, rape.”
It’s not bearable to read about as an adult, so imagine what it must have felt like to live through it if you were 13 years old. My heart broke when I came to this part: “Her mother describes how by the time you had finished with her there was not much left of her apart from her aggression. You took her soul. She felt as though it had been ripped out.”
We are so sorry that happened to you, sweet girl, whoever you are. And we will not rest until those responsible are brought to account. Until you have compensation. We will not allow men who hate white women and girls, who think we are lower than cattle, to breathe the same air as us. We owe you that much.

Edited

The most powerful but disturbing article I have ever read. Breathtakingly heartbreaking. Read, absorb, reflect. Forget your political allegiances, Those poor poor girls have been failed on every level. If they believe a national inquiry needs to be conducted again within the context of a greater understanding of the scope of the problem, who are any of us to disagree? It would be a small way of clawing back some dignity and sense of justice. I don't see how the people in power could possibly deny it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/01/2025 16:19

So no posts then? How convenient.

Its easy for you to do your own research. I'm not engaging with your goadiness further. There are several regulars from FWR on here who know I'm telling the truth, I'm not accountable to you mate 🤷‍♀️

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/01/2025 16:20

lcakethereforeIam · 08/01/2025 14:57

I've just learned about this thread so, apologies, I've not read all of it. Anyway, I found an article in the Times that listed the recommendations in Professor Jay's inquiry on CSE, how and if they're being implemented.

https://archive.ph/iRa6p link to full article that will take you past the paywall

www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/alexis-jay-grooming-gangs-report-hpzll0332

I'll try to summarise it

1. A cabinet-level minister for children
Fudged Labour claims this is part of Bridget Phillipson's portfolio.

2. A legal duty to report child abuse
Just announced, completely coincidentally!
Grooming will also become an aggravating factor.

3. A national database of abuse
This has not been implemented. On Monday, Cooper pledged to establish it.

4 & 5. Compensation for victims
No comment on implemented, if or when.

6-8. Establish new child protection bodies
A new “Child Protection Authority”. This has not been implemented.
Separately, an independent body to register care home, etc. staff and maintain standards. Still no regulatory body.

9. National public awareness campaigns
So far no government-funded campaigns have been launched.

10-12. Make better use of the DBS ‘barred’ list
I think this is worth reading in full!
The government should ensure anyone taking on staff, to work or volunteer with children, can check Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) lists to check if they have been barred.
Currently employers do not need to check the DBS if the person will be “supervised to a greater or lesser degree”. In 2012 the group of people who needed to check the DBS was actually narrowed.
In addition, self-employed people and those engaging their services are not able to get hold of “enhanced” DBS certificates.
Jay said this needed to be tightened up, but it has not been implemented.
She also thinks the statutory duty to report concerns about individuals working with children to the DBS is being flouted.
She called for the National Police Chiefs’ Council to work with regulators and inspectorates to ensure breaches are investigated. The Times has contacted the NPCC for a progress report.
DBS checks on people in England and Wales also cannot be accessed by employers based overseas, which she said needed to change.

13 & 14. Tackle abuse online
Ofcom has been contacted for comment. I think Labour have legislation in the pipeline regarding online harm.

15 & 16. Make life better for victims in court
Survivors need better support. Speed up the police investigations and CPS charging decisions. Hollow laugh Review compliance with the victims’ code, “still not being consistently applied and followed”.
Increase the three-year time limit to bring a civil claim. This has not yet been done.

17 & 18. More support for victims
Councils to offer fully funded specialist support. It's unclear where this is at.
Records of abuse not to be deleted after 75 years. The ICO has been contacted for comment.

19. Ban headlocks and ‘arm twists’
This has not been done.

20. Amend the Children Act 1989
Courts should curtail council's parental responsibility if a child in its care is suffering harm. This has not been done.

Italics are my comments. Some of the recommendations are irrelevant re. grooming gangs, some are tangential. I can't see that a new inquiry would stop the implementations that have been promised, or make any difference to the ones that are being ignored. Professor Jay's inquiry seems too broad regarding the 'grooming gang' phenomenon and inquiry just by Oldham would seem too narrow.

I don't agree it's islamaphobic although I agree that there are people who are using it who are. These men aren't being demonised, these men are demons. Perhaps that's another reason to have an inquiry, drag it all into the open to demonstrate it's a minority of a minority, perhaps that all ethnicities were abusers, were complicit, that it wasn't just white girls who were victims, that justice isn't two tiered. Or, if that's not what comes to light, to stop it instead of leaving it to fester.

Bumping

notnorman · 08/01/2025 16:21

HappyPanda613 · 08/01/2025 11:47

Please, can we stop talking about this already? It’s been days now and it will only further embolden the far right!

Christ

Feelingathomenow · 08/01/2025 16:23

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/01/2025 16:20

Bumping

So absolutely nothing about the reasons behind these gangs then, all about social services.

notnorman · 08/01/2025 16:23

BananaAppleOrange · 08/01/2025 16:15

Arguing with Labour fanatics about this reminds me of arguing with Scottish Nationalists who claim Nicola Sturgeon was the best thing to happen to Scottish Education….

Agree

Naddd · 08/01/2025 16:24

Why do some of you refer to them as Muslim grooming gangs? As though Islam somehow allows this and it's because of Islam
You do realise If they were actually practising Muslims this would not happen .
The punishment for this in Islam is death

What punishment did they get? One of the ringleaders was given a 6 year sentence and was out in 2.5 years. 10 odd years on despite losing his bids against deportation he's still here! Some deterrent!

My two pence worth, it was easy access to victims. Do you think these animals actually cared what religion/colour their victims were?

HappyPanda613 · 08/01/2025 16:25

notnorman · 08/01/2025 16:21

Christ

Well it is not like I was wrong when I made that post. No doubt thanks to being emboldened in this thread and other ones like it I have seen recently a thread on the new proposed Islamophobia definition that the right wing are already attempting to pick apart.

PeppyGreenFinch · 08/01/2025 16:26

Feelingathomenow · 08/01/2025 16:11

Have you considered why Hindus aren't viewed in the same way in the UK, why Hindus are very largely welcomed? Why Hindus, whilst retaining their religion and culture, are still largely very well integrated?

People don’t like anyone coming into their country, their community and not assimilating, because if the members of a society don’t have aligned morals and values it destabilises it. Instead, we, the existing community are too to adapt. My son came home from school saying their PE lessons were to be dialled back during Ramadan and that half the class weren’t even going to participate. Most of the meat in the works canteen was Halal (no one was interested in any complaints about that - how other religions could not eat it, concerns about animal cruelty). Outward sneering and ignoring of armistice day silences at work. Changes to social events or refusal to attend client events if alcohol was served meaning others had to give up evenings/weekends more often.

Again, with your attitude I wonder that you can expect Muslims to want to integrate with you.

Same old ‘Muslim ate my guinea pig’ propaganda.

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