Brilliant article about the rape gangs in the UK

[Petrine]

I’ve put this on AIBU as it appears to be most read. A brilliant article about the rape gangs and the ensuing cover up.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/07/elon-musk-has-ripped-cloak-of-deceit-off-britain-scandal/

It would be whataboutery if Labour didn’t take action for 14 years time and in 14 years time we were still saying ‘the Tories also didn’t do anything for 14 years’.

It’s not whataboutery when we’ve barely entered in a new Labour government with a safeguarding minister tasked with implementing the changes.

Stop talking about the rape and torture of thousands of girls that is still going on today!
Brush it under the carpet!
Cover it up!
Concern about rape of girls is far right!

Here is a quick TikTok with some nice music about drugging and having sex with young girls that the Labour Party have put out. Have a listen to that instead. Good lefty stuff….

Of course it’s all their fault. Who was in power in 2022? Which government received the report and sat on it for over two years? Who else could legitimately be blamed?

They aren't in power now, and they and their fans won't be able to rely on that excuse forever. Starmer has only just recently decided this is in any way a priority. Let's see what happens. He needs to get the fuck on with it, as I said, rather than wailing about Musk.

Well, of course, some people have been talking about this for a long time. Finally they are being heard.

Readers of Computer Weekly and Private Eye were talking about the post office Horizon scandal for years before it hit the mainstream. People weren't accusing the Johnny Come Latelys of ignoring THAT for years, because how could they have known until it hit the mainstream? See also scandals with paedophile priests etc etc. At some point the dam breaks, and we all talk. That is not a bad thing.

Lots of things are annoying me/making me angry at the moment. The abuse of thousands of girls is one, the plight of women in Afghanistan is another etc etc. I will not stop talking about this. And any handwaving, Be Kind or other bollocks will fall on my deaf ears.

You were equating 14 years of Tory incompetence with a new Labour government barely in its infancy.

Those are not equal or the same.

Dear myrtlethepurpleturtle, I am sure you know that in the past it was illegal for women to vote and legal for 6 year old children to be sent up chimney's. If our current laws say it is illegal to deport foreign child rapists and torturers do you think we should a) accept this and welcome them to live in our society b) change the law and deport them?. Genuinely interested in your answer.

I'm equating 14 years of Tory incompetence, with the previous Labour government's incompetence, and the incompetence of this new Labour government. Hope that helps.

But are they going to do anything about the fundamental culture point here? All I’ve heard is some vague muttering about safe guarding and social services. Why have they rejected a call for an enquiry from Oldham Council for a new enquiry into the rape and torture of young girls because those councillors don’t think the existing enquiries covered everything- they want a national enquiry because they don’t think a local one will be independent. Why have Labour rejected that?

For example, currently the law said that a Congolese guy who raped his daughter and niece had a right to stay in the UK because deporting would interfere with his "human right to a family life".

It's so lovely to see such close family ties being celebrated 😇

Your point is clear and well-made even if posters are determined to misunderstand you: you aren't arguing for anyone to not have legal representation, you're arguing that we should tighten the law so that particular avenues of defence which have been exploited can no longer be used. And rightly so.

The story of the "safeguarding lead" being involved in one of these gangs is just another example of how the approach so far of training, tookits, guidelines, processes are not enough when you're against a determined enemy who doesn't respect them. It's the equivalent of writing a sternly worded letter.

You can’t accuse an entire community of being inferior and then expect them to want to integrate with you.

You can’t call Muslims ‘a vast, suppurating evil such as the land had not known for a thousand years – continued to blight that good and fair country’ and expect them to want to integrate with you.

It doesn’t work like that.

But are they going to do anything about the fundamental culture point here? All I’ve heard is some vague muttering about safe guarding and social services. Why have they rejected a call for an enquiry from Oldham Council for a new enquiry into the rape and torture of young girls because those councillors don’t think the existing enquiries covered everything- they want a national enquiry because they don’t think a local one will be independent. Why have Labour rejected that?

Isn't that the 64,000 dollar question.

The story of the "safeguarding lead" being involved in one of these gangs is just another example of how the approach so far of training, tookits, guidelines, processes are not enough when you're against a determined enemy who doesn't respect them. It's the equivalent of writing a sternly worded letter.

This.

What were the incompetences of the previous Labour govt?

How can we even start to address the issues with the women in Afghanistan when we can't name the problem in Rotherham and Oldham without being accused of being far right or racist?

I just think suggesting raising this is right wing highlights the fact that the left, as it currently stands, does have a woman problem.

It's not racist to speak about links between religion and harms to women and children. We shouldn't have to brush things under the carpet.

If we want to support a truly multicultural society with genuine community cohesion this NEEDS to be discussed.

I really don't get why people would prefer to castigate provocateurs like Musk rather than address the issues that enable him to poke the stick.

Because a new enquiry would halt the implementations of the current enquiry. Which took 7 years to complete.

What were the incompetences of the previous Labour govt?

You do realise that many of the councils were Labour councils, and this didn't start in 2010?

Because a new enquiry would halt the implementations of the current enquiry

Why? It's bullshit fobbing off.

For those saying Labour have only been in power six months… They weren’t born yesterday (though might seem it). These rapes took place under their last watch, under labour councils, and Labour have seen what has been done or hasn’t been done since. This hasn’t appeared from nowhere over the last two days. They have had fourteen years to plan return to government. Where is their plan to deal with this?

Pity you weren’t here posting for get the fuck on with it since 2022. Wonder what stopped you.

You're clearly not aware that posters have been discussing this issue on the feminists boards on here for years.

Because I don't think the inquiry was particularly adequate. I know you'd love to think everyone who disagrees with you about this is some sort of Reform bot, but that isn't the case.

Would you have insisted that the Suffragettes step down and let the “authorities” have a chat about women’s rights? I thought not so why should we trust the politicians of all parties, at all levels, to suddenly sort this one out now.
None of them did anything when it first came to light and none of them have done anything since. Whether you like it or not, this will only be dealt with by public involvement.
Whilst the crimes are far more heinous than the dreaded turkey twislers, the problem is the same - people in power don’t listen to the general public.
I can only assume that they think we are smart enough to vote them in but too stupid to be worth listening to.
We need to abolish the Party Whip so that central govt. politicians and local govt. councillors vote as their constituents tell them
to and not as their party demands.
These girls deserve justice, nothing more, nothing less.

I actually don’t think another inquiry is the priority. I think there should be a criminal investigation into the police, the politicians, the social works, and all the others who enabled the rape and torture of these girls by their actions and inactions.

These rapes took place under their last watch, under labour councils

This is part of it

It's Labour who are now banging on about the recommendations that inquiry made, so they can get the fuck on with it. I've posted about this issue since I joined mumsnet over a decade ago, thanks.