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To think that Musk is now overstepping himself and the UK gvt should threaten action

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Bogginsthe3rd · 07/01/2025 02:02

Musk has just posted this on twitter (among other unhinged tweets). To me this reads as a thinly veiled threat to democratically elected UK MPs and actually the UK government should consider sanctions to the US if he continues this attack when he enters the White House?

To think that Musk is now overstepping himself and the UK gvt should threaten action
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randomchap · 07/01/2025 11:23

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Resorting to insults now? That's rather undignified.

I'm at least capable of seeing when a proposed solution will not work.

Just under a 5th of nhs workers are immigrants

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7783/

As a country we are struggling for people to do some roles. Threatening to not take people who we need is not a viable negotiating tactic. It's a nonsense

randomchap · 07/01/2025 11:26

AlisonDonut · 07/01/2025 11:15

Well known internationally?

I live internationaly and this is not well known. Who says it and why do they say it?

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Just because you're unaware of it doesn't mean that others are unaware

Just under a 5th of the nhs workforce are immigrants. Essential people. We can't threaten to not take immigrants as the damage would be to us, not the country they are coming from.

Parker231 · 07/01/2025 11:36

Jess Philips has support from those that matter.

To think that Musk is now overstepping himself and the UK gvt should threaten action
JHound · 07/01/2025 11:36

Bogginsthe3rd · 07/01/2025 02:02

Musk has just posted this on twitter (among other unhinged tweets). To me this reads as a thinly veiled threat to democratically elected UK MPs and actually the UK government should consider sanctions to the US if he continues this attack when he enters the White House?

I really wish we could just ignore him.

He is a foreign troll and should be treated as such.

I don’t have an issue with it being highlighted which MPs voted against deportations but this is completely decontextualised and there maybe valid reasons to vote against that decision but we have a lot of stupid people among us not capable of complex thought.

JHound · 07/01/2025 11:36

Parker231 · 07/01/2025 11:36

Jess Philips has support from those that matter.

This should be amplified.

Goldenbear · 07/01/2025 11:37

randomchap · 07/01/2025 10:42

You are confusing two issues.

As a country we need immigrants, the economy and nhs would not survive without them.

We also need to do something about the foreign born rapists at the end of their sentences. Threatening to refuse all immigration from countries that won't accept them back would not work. It would be seen as a bluff as economically it's untenable.

It's a very shit and complex situation, and simplistic solutions need to be challenged.

We should be working on solutions that will actually work. Maybe implementing the recommendations of the child abuse inquiry. Increasing the numbers of police, longer sentences, more education in schools so children can speak up easier etc

And btw, I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse and any suggestion that I'm a rape apologist, or on their side can fuck right off

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Jeez, I hear you, immigration is ECONOMIC POLICY, in case it needs spelling out for the reactionary knee jerkers amongst us! This forum used to be full of intelligent conversation and rational posters, what has happened!!

Goldenbear · 07/01/2025 11:40

randomchap · 07/01/2025 11:23

Resorting to insults now? That's rather undignified.

I'm at least capable of seeing when a proposed solution will not work.

Just under a 5th of nhs workers are immigrants

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7783/

As a country we are struggling for people to do some roles. Threatening to not take people who we need is not a viable negotiating tactic. It's a nonsense

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I wouldn't bother engaging with the negative naysayers that only appear to know how to pull things apart or erect huge walls preventing any optimistic solutions!

BIossomtoes · 07/01/2025 11:54

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/01/2025 10:22

If countries don't want their criminals back, then all citizen immigration from that country ceases until a deal to take them back is made and signed

A bill to introduce such a "deal" was reportedly introduced in 2021, but I'm having trouble finding out what happened to it ... squashed by those who can't bear any firm action to be taken perhaps?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/06/uk-to-block-visas-from-countries-refusing-to-take-back-undocumented-migrants#:~:text=UK%20to%20block%20visas%20for%20countries%20refusing%20to%20take%20back%20asylum%20seekers,-This%20article%20is&text=The%20UK%20will%20block%20visas,rejected%20asylum%20seekers%20or%20offenders.

How could a bill be squashed when there was a government with a huge majority in 2021? Johnson’s government would have got anything he wanted through parliament at that point.

CovenOfCheeses · 07/01/2025 12:08

ABetterYou · 07/01/2025 05:29

The issue really should NOT be about Elon. The real issue is why did politicians, police and counsellors allow the systematic abuse and violence of children. The truth if you are sincere about it is “the vote bank” of those communities.

All that is required for evil to prevail if for otherwise good people to look the other way. Labour did not look the other way; they actively participated in the cover up.

All children are precious. Starmer has violated fundamental principles of humanity.

This is disingenuous and really not warranted. We really do not need trolls who have had to settle sexual convictions out of court working for a convicted rapist to advise the government about rape. The government has recommendations to review and due process to follow to stay within the law and international obligations.

UpTheLoobyLooTree · 07/01/2025 12:09

Not everyone on that list is still an MP. In fact, not everyone on that list is even alive.

madgesb · 07/01/2025 12:10

Parker231 · 07/01/2025 11:36

Jess Philips has support from those that matter.

She's not the victim here.

XylophoneXylon · 07/01/2025 12:22

He’s done the right thing we should be grateful he’s using his power and influence to highlight a safeguarding issue in the U.K.

Whoarethoseguys · 07/01/2025 12:25

He is extremely dangerous and his influence terrifies me.
I have no idea what we can do about it though.

BIossomtoes · 07/01/2025 12:25

madgesb · 07/01/2025 12:10

She's not the victim here.

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She might be if enough hate is stirred up against her. Remember Jo Cox and listen to Phillips’ election night speech.

Goldenbear · 07/01/2025 12:26

XylophoneXylon · 07/01/2025 12:22

He’s done the right thing we should be grateful he’s using his power and influence to highlight a safeguarding issue in the U.K.

Why though, why has he done that, what is he motivated by, are there not any safeguarding issues in the U.S.A.?

Whoarethoseguys · 07/01/2025 12:28

XylophoneXylon · 07/01/2025 12:22

He’s done the right thing we should be grateful he’s using his power and influence to highlight a safeguarding issue in the U.K.

This is nonsense. And shows how people who know nothing about the full facts just take what he says at face value
Apart from the fact that he is twisting the truth for his own ends he is a national of another country with no understanding of our laws he has absolutely no right to comment.

CovenOfCheeses · 07/01/2025 12:29

XylophoneXylon · 07/01/2025 12:22

He’s done the right thing we should be grateful he’s using his power and influence to highlight a safeguarding issue in the U.K.

You should really be trying to run your companies and get rid of government waste rather than trolling on this site Elon.

CovenOfCheeses · 07/01/2025 12:32

BIossomtoes · 07/01/2025 11:54

How could a bill be squashed when there was a government with a huge majority in 2021? Johnson’s government would have got anything he wanted through parliament at that point.

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You can make a bill to harvest unicorn horns but if it is unviable, untenable and not economically efficient after the various layers of consultation, then it gets dropped.

XylophoneXylon · 07/01/2025 12:32

Whoarethoseguys · 07/01/2025 12:28

This is nonsense. And shows how people who know nothing about the full facts just take what he says at face value
Apart from the fact that he is twisting the truth for his own ends he is a national of another country with no understanding of our laws he has absolutely no right to comment.

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I’m judging him on an issue by issue basis . On this I think he’s right to get involved. It’s a safeguarding issue and safeguarding is everyone’s responsibility. Saying he doesn’t have a right as it’s the U.K.? But I worry about things in other countries where people are exploited or harmed or in danger so why shouldn’t he ? I’m not rich though nobody cares what I think but he’s got power and a platform.

Goldenbear · 07/01/2025 12:34

XylophoneXylon · 07/01/2025 12:32

I’m judging him on an issue by issue basis . On this I think he’s right to get involved. It’s a safeguarding issue and safeguarding is everyone’s responsibility. Saying he doesn’t have a right as it’s the U.K.? But I worry about things in other countries where people are exploited or harmed or in danger so why shouldn’t he ? I’m not rich though nobody cares what I think but he’s got power and a platform.

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But what is his motivation when there are going to be safeguarding issues in the US? Why are you not asking yourself that.

BIossomtoes · 07/01/2025 12:34

XylophoneXylon · 07/01/2025 12:32

I’m judging him on an issue by issue basis . On this I think he’s right to get involved. It’s a safeguarding issue and safeguarding is everyone’s responsibility. Saying he doesn’t have a right as it’s the U.K.? But I worry about things in other countries where people are exploited or harmed or in danger so why shouldn’t he ? I’m not rich though nobody cares what I think but he’s got power and a platform.

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Shame he didn’t use it to highlight rape by Russian soldiers in Ukraine. I guess war victims don’t matter.

XylophoneXylon · 07/01/2025 12:37

Goldenbear · 07/01/2025 12:34

But what is his motivation when there are going to be safeguarding issues in the US? Why are you not asking yourself that.

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I have no idea what his motivation is I’m taking it at face value rather than dissecting what’s behind a decision to speak out for those who can’t. I think it can be confusing for people when they have a preconceived negative image of an individual and then that person comes out with something contrary to what they have set in their mind . He has a track record of saying things a lot of people don’t like or disagree with but on this subject he’s right so it can be hard to reevaluate sometimes. To think ‘oh - I usually take no notice of what he goes on about but this makes sense’

XylophoneXylon · 07/01/2025 12:39

BIossomtoes · 07/01/2025 12:34

Shame he didn’t use it to highlight rape by Russian soldiers in Ukraine. I guess war victims don’t matter.

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people pick their causes to be involved with. An individual can’t save the whole world but if everyone played a part it might go some way. I just don’t see how we can criticise him on this isolated issue when he’s right and getting involved and using his voice for good? There have been things he’s said that I don’t agree with but I can have an open mind and on this he is right .

CovenOfCheeses · 07/01/2025 12:42

XylophoneXylon · 07/01/2025 12:37

I have no idea what his motivation is I’m taking it at face value rather than dissecting what’s behind a decision to speak out for those who can’t. I think it can be confusing for people when they have a preconceived negative image of an individual and then that person comes out with something contrary to what they have set in their mind . He has a track record of saying things a lot of people don’t like or disagree with but on this subject he’s right so it can be hard to reevaluate sometimes. To think ‘oh - I usually take no notice of what he goes on about but this makes sense’

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https://www.foxbusiness.com/business-leaders/elon-musk-sexual-assault-spacex-flight-attendant-massage

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65502076

This is a man who cares deeply about sexual abuse and wants to highlight this about foreigners and not himself or his associates.

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https://www.foxbusiness.com/business-leaders/elon-musk-sexual-assault-spacex-flight-attendant-massage

BIossomtoes · 07/01/2025 12:42

Anyone who takes what he says at face value is naive. People like Musk always have a motive. In this case it’s perfectly obvious that it’s an attempt to destabilise UK politics, if he really cared about sexual abuse there are plenty of other countries he could and should include in his condemnation.