To think that Musk is now overstepping himself and the UK gvt should threaten action

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Musk has just posted this on twitter (among other unhinged tweets). To me this reads as a thinly veiled threat to democratically elected UK MPs and actually the UK government should consider sanctions to the US if he continues this attack when he enters the White House?

You are confusing two issues.

As a country we need immigrants, the economy and nhs would not survive without them.

We also need to do something about the foreign born rapists at the end of their sentences. Threatening to refuse all immigration from countries that won't accept them back would not work. It would be seen as a bluff as economically it's untenable.

It's a very shit and complex situation, and simplistic solutions need to be challenged.

We should be working on solutions that will actually work. Maybe implementing the recommendations of the child abuse inquiry. Increasing the numbers of police, longer sentences, more education in schools so children can speak up easier etc

And btw, I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse and any suggestion that I'm a rape apologist, or on their side can fuck right off

Sanctions against the US? Are you having a laugh? Who do you think is likely to come off worse - a global superpower or a tiny island in the North Atlantic, no longer even affiliated with the EU?

He can smart off about UK politics as much as he wants: he has no power and no influence here. On this particular point, as it happens, I agree with him.

Oh hello.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/07/child-abuse-inquiry-uk-alexis-jay-former-chair

I'm not confused about anything. It's you who's confused.

Which countries are refusing to take back their own citizens?

Twitter, like every other social platform, is filled with sexually dodgy men, so don't be daft Zilla1 . What does Musk think should be done about that?

Actually the restriction of visas is something I have seen proposed by a couple of broadsheets as leverage that would work. They have abused the privilege of coming to this country and should fuck off, irrespective of how many years they might have been here.

Well said.

Well, I am sure Pakistan like its aid payments so maybe stop those.

I'm not confused at all.

Why do specific countries matter. She said any country.

Part of the issue is that some people are renouncing their duel citizenship and only keeping their British one. Someone may then be born overseas but have no legal connection to their country of birth.

Like I say, it's a very complicated and difficult issue. The government should be working on long term viable solutions. What has been suggested is not one

"Former chair of child abuse inquiry says another one would only delay action
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This is why I'm surprised that there isn't more government appetite for yet more inquiries - except there kind of is, but they all want some other branch of government to do it

It couldn't be more obvious that nobody in authority wants to grasp this very difficult nettle, and that the noise and fury over Musk and the rest serves to avoid doing exactly that. Only too easy to keep passing the political hot potato to someone else, aided by headlines which form a useful distraction

Somebody on TV made a good point yesterday and that was, he's from S Africa with one of the highest murder and sexual assault rates, why isn't he sticking his head in there? It'd make much more sense than interfering with us which is, quite frankly, bizarre.
Yes, he may have a point about the rape gangs. A lot didn't get punished and it doesn't surprise me to hear that it's an ongoing problem. However, we have a problem with all men around the world at the moment and I'd like to see genuine action rather than some lunatic using it as a tool for division.
I am waiting for the fallout with Trump. It's been somewhat interesting watching the drama with Farage. I bet he's secretly seething, even though it's worked out well for him PR wise here.

Pakistan has refused to take back Pakistani-born criminals who have renounced their citizenship. Pakistan's perspective is that as they have renounced their citizenship they are no longer Pakistan's problem. The UK of course did exactly the same thing with Shamina Begum - actually stripping her of her citizenship so that we didn't have to take any responsibility to have her back.

Why do specific countries matter. She said any country.

Well it kinda does matter actually. Which countries do this?

What was suggested here was in fact a great solution. Imagine how quickly we will come to an agreement with a country which currently refuses to take back it's crims if this is introduced?

Also whilst we're at it we change the law about renounced citizenships and any other loop holes.

You seem paralysed with the complexity of it. Maybe this is why it's a good thing we have people like Musk shining a spotlight and galvanizing action.. because the government of this country certainly does not listen to voters.

Which is what the UK government should be encouraging the press to ask Mr Musk, highlighting the use of the platforms for CSA and how free speech absolutists and tech bros might appear to facilitate child abuse, much like all the companies who make billions from end to end encrypted services and hardware. Rather than having the press enjoy watching a fight between the UK and Musk, encourage the press to seek out any hypocrisy amongst those who have the power to make corporate decisions. If/when the press demur, the government then move their responses from defending Starmer and keeping the CPS role in the public eye to prodding the press for not doing their job.

What other countries?

Shamina Begum is possibly not the best example for this situation. Firstly, she didn't commit any crimes in this country as far as I'm aware and was out of the country when she did. Secondly, she is eligible for a Bangladeshi passport and I presume also Dutch residency as she married a Dutch man.

Again. Our need for immigrants is massive. It's well known internationally. Threatening to not accept them would be known to be a bluff. This solution would not work.

What about what about

This is the answer.

He's like a petulant toddler. And all the new Mumsnet fanboys and girls will have to look elsewhere to peddle their filth

Well known internationally?

I live internationaly and this is not well known. Who says it and why do they say it?

I see Gordon Brown is getting it now too.

Musk is a moron

So maybe we make their life here unbearable. I would suggest: a curfew, electronic tag, restrictions on use of phone and computer, restrictions on where they may physically visit/ who they can interact with, curtailment of benefits, requirement to move to another town…. Non- compliance= jail time. It is possible with some imagination to make life in this country so grim that they want to remigrate.

Against deportation when it concerns a criminal act you’ve already been prosecuted and served a sentence for?

Insane tbh. They’ve done the crime, why should there be any further legal review of the deportation order?

Precisely.