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To think that Musk is now overstepping himself and the UK gvt should threaten action

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Bogginsthe3rd · 07/01/2025 02:02

Musk has just posted this on twitter (among other unhinged tweets). To me this reads as a thinly veiled threat to democratically elected UK MPs and actually the UK government should consider sanctions to the US if he continues this attack when he enters the White House?

To think that Musk is now overstepping himself and the UK gvt should threaten action
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zdcgbjm · 08/01/2025 09:58

1dayatatime · 08/01/2025 07:42

@JessaWoo

"Sure, but what is his motivation for doing so? It isn't likely that he has justice at heart. It's self-interest. He's playing around in British politics just like a digital puppeteer - it's working brilliantly, too."

Musk's motivation in highlighting these crimes is political, he is a supporter of right wing political parties and the global political shift to the right.

Similarly Labour's motivations in minimising these crimes is political. Publicity on these crimes and the lack of any implementation of the Jay inquiry is electorally damaging to the left and beneficial to the right as confirmed by Simon Danzuk, a former Labour MP.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/01/02/simon-danczuk-tony-lloyd-ex-labour-chairman-grooming-gangs/

Labour are not minimising the crimes, they are implementing the recommendations.

zdcgbjm · 08/01/2025 11:00

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/01/2025 09:36

The point is that Musk isn't raising awareness. He is distributing misinformation. To millions of people

I agree he's trying to, @bombastix, and much of Twitter is pure misinformation anyway, but it only really works with the kind of mentality who swallow whatever they read wholesale instead of using it as a spur to look further into something that interests them

I also agree he's playing silly games, fancies himself as some massive influence and doesn't actually give a damn about the victims, but I still think it's no bad thing for awareness to be raised - or at least for as long as folk stay interested

but it only really works with the kind of mentality who swallow whatever they read wholesale instead of using it as a spur to look further into something that interests them

It's dangerous to underestimate the impact that can have on society. There are more people around like that than there are people who question what they read. This is how election (and referendum) outcomes are manipulated.

Read about "strategic lying" ( https://www.electionanalysis.uk/uk-election-analysis-2019/section-1-truth-lies-and-civic-culture/strategic-lying-the-new-game-in-town/ ) employed by Boris Johnsson amongst others. Also watch Dominic Cummings give a masterclass on manipulating public opinion ( ).

You just have to read this thread to see people frothing about this vote MPs made that never actually happened. It's incredibly niave to think that the owner of one of the largest social media platforms in the world does not have significant influence on public opinion thereby swaying the way people vote.

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Notaflippinclue · 08/01/2025 11:35

What exactly is the misinformation, he can't vote here, speech is free in America, some folks seem more shocked at what he says about some lefty grown ups than shocked at what was done to these girls. World turned upside down? We'll continually raped and tortured would pretty much obliterate their world.

bombastix · 08/01/2025 11:36

This is fairly common sense really because I always wonder why SM tries so hard to rile people up.

Partly for clicks, partly because if you become emotional and engage emotionally you are easily manipulated.

Child abuse is the last taboo in the West that we care about.

The actual crimes of these gangs can be weaponised. Smear your opponents and the lie is halfway around the world before the truth has its trousers on.

MargoLivebetter · 08/01/2025 11:47

Musk and X is already subject to fines from the EU following an investigation into the spread of disinformation and illegal content. There is also the suspicion that Musk artificially amplifies his own tweets, that the EU is looking into. So the UK may be able to stand back and let the EU fight this one.

I think the Germans may also be launching their own investigations following Musk's calls for Germans to vote for the far right Alternative for Germany party in the German elections.

Personally, I think he is using the shockingly awful UK child gooming cases and scandals to manipulate opinion. I don't think he gives a hoot about the scandal itself and the people involved in it. This is all just political games for him.

wholettheturnipsburn · 08/01/2025 11:57

Do some posters really think that the government are following up the Jay recommendations because of musk?

Honestly, how naive.

BIossomtoes · 08/01/2025 12:01

wholettheturnipsburn · 08/01/2025 11:57

Do some posters really think that the government are following up the Jay recommendations because of musk?

Honestly, how naive.

Of course they don’t but any excuse for a bit of new government bashing.

1dayatatime · 08/01/2025 12:06

@wholettheturnipsburn

Well it's not just some posters that have the view that "the government are following up the Jay recommendations because of musk?"

This is a quote today from Professor Jay who led the inquiry:

"I have heard very little in the last few days about the appalling and lifelong effects that child sexual abuse can have on people.

I am pleased that the subject matter and the inquiry recommendations are finally getting the attention they deserve but this is definitely not the way I would have chosen for it to happen, but it has had the effect of moving on the agenda."

So would you equally describe Professor Jay as naive for believing that the publicity Musk's posts have generated has had the effect of moving this issue up the agenda?

CovenOfCheeses · 08/01/2025 12:07

Notaflippinclue · 08/01/2025 11:35

What exactly is the misinformation, he can't vote here, speech is free in America, some folks seem more shocked at what he says about some lefty grown ups than shocked at what was done to these girls. World turned upside down? We'll continually raped and tortured would pretty much obliterate their world.

The fact that the MSM covered it up is disingenuous. The story was broken by the Times, covered by the BBC, most major newspapers, had several public inquiries and was featured in several documentaries. Starmer as DPP in conjunction with the TV overturned the CPS decision not to prosecute due to the inconsistencies with the stories of the girls involved and the failure to obtain a conviction due to this fact. There have been failures during all governments involved, sometimes due to cultural sensitivity, sometimes due to the practicality of mounting an expensive prosecution (at a time when CPS funds have been cut) when the chances of success are slim due to unreliable witnesses or failures by the police due to feeling that they would be accused of racism. But there has been an inquiry and the recommendations have been slow to be implemented. This is an ongoing issue and not something that Musk has just discovered and put on the agenda. The wheels of government and society are slow. see how the cladding scandal after Grenfell are still playing out. This does not mean that this is being covered up. This is a sad fact of government and also of inaction by the Tories who wanted to seem like they were doing something but kicked any legislation into the long grass due to the cost and complexity of action.

There is an issue with a small section of the Pakistani community at the lower rungs of society who want to satisfy their lust by exploiting young girls because they are forced into cultural arranged loveless marriages. This has been extensively investigated and steps are being taken to prosecute and address these issues. Not due to the tweets of the far right and trolls but because the government are taking appropriate steps at the speed at which government moves. The agenda of government should not be privy to the whims of trolls and self seeking football hooligans. This should be done at the behest and in support of the victims and issues that are best understood by the people involved and with their consultation. This unfortunately is not simple, unlike internet trolls like to say.

internet Trolls have no understanding of what is happening in the UK and are only using the situation for political capital and is only tweeting in support of racist football hooligans, who have been jailed for contempt of a British court for nearly collapsing an abuse case against the interest of victims. They do not care about the victims or justice but solely to amplify their political agenda or for lolz and to spread chaos. We also have political leaders in this country playing into the hands of internet trolls and giving them airtime, little realising that all they are doing to spreading chaos before moving on to their next area of chaos. This is not in the best interests of our society and we should shut them down and not give them airtime.

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LondonLawyer · 08/01/2025 12:09

yohohoCrimbo · 08/01/2025 07:32

@LondonLawyer ignore my question. I've just read one of your other posts and found the answer.

What about those perps who were advised by their lawyers to renounce their Pakistani citizenship? Rendering them stateless? Was this done to avoid deportation?

Someone with dual citizenship can't be deported unless and until deprived of British citizenship first, and then made the subject of a deportation order.

Some of those convicted for the "grooming gangs" were dual nationals, and the SSHD did deprive some of British citizenship on the "conducive to the public good" ground. Some (or all, I don't know) of those deprived exercised their right of appeal against deprivation to the First Tier (Immigration & Asylum) Tribunal and some further appealed to the Upper Tribunal, but in all the reported cases I've seen they lost their appeals against deprivation of British citizenship.

Some in "grooming gangs" were also made the subject of deportation orders, I've seen reported cases about appeals in those cases too.

A few of the dual citizens appear to have renounced their Pakistani nationality; this would definitely significantly reduce the likelihood of deprivation of British citizenship, because (except under limited and particular circumstances) a person can't be deprived of British citizenship if the deprivation would leave him stateless; and if Pakistani citizenship had been renounced, then deprivation here would leave a person stateless.

There were at least two appeals relating to Defendants in grooming gang cases who renounced Pakistani citizenship in order to avoid deprivation. In that case the deprivation orders were in prospect at the time of deprivation so the Upper Tribunal held that the Appellants hadn't proved deprivation would render them stateless. There's reference to another Defendant who renounced Pakistani citizenship earlier and that was a successful tactic, the SSHD didn't make a deprivation order.

BIossomtoes · 08/01/2025 12:10

1dayatatime · 08/01/2025 12:06

@wholettheturnipsburn

Well it's not just some posters that have the view that "the government are following up the Jay recommendations because of musk?"

This is a quote today from Professor Jay who led the inquiry:

"I have heard very little in the last few days about the appalling and lifelong effects that child sexual abuse can have on people.

I am pleased that the subject matter and the inquiry recommendations are finally getting the attention they deserve but this is definitely not the way I would have chosen for it to happen, but it has had the effect of moving on the agenda."

So would you equally describe Professor Jay as naive for believing that the publicity Musk's posts have generated has had the effect of moving this issue up the agenda?

I think she failed to realise it was in the King’s speech in October.

Goldenbear · 08/01/2025 12:32

1dayatatime · 08/01/2025 12:06

@wholettheturnipsburn

Well it's not just some posters that have the view that "the government are following up the Jay recommendations because of musk?"

This is a quote today from Professor Jay who led the inquiry:

"I have heard very little in the last few days about the appalling and lifelong effects that child sexual abuse can have on people.

I am pleased that the subject matter and the inquiry recommendations are finally getting the attention they deserve but this is definitely not the way I would have chosen for it to happen, but it has had the effect of moving on the agenda."

So would you equally describe Professor Jay as naive for believing that the publicity Musk's posts have generated has had the effect of moving this issue up the agenda?

But she has also said that no new inquiry is needed didn't she?

ilovesooty · 08/01/2025 12:33

Notaflippinclue · 08/01/2025 11:35

What exactly is the misinformation, he can't vote here, speech is free in America, some folks seem more shocked at what he says about some lefty grown ups than shocked at what was done to these girls. World turned upside down? We'll continually raped and tortured would pretty much obliterate their world.

"Lefty grown ups"?
I'm rather concerned by the risk of violence to MPs, such as Jess Phillips.

1dayatatime · 08/01/2025 12:34

@BIossomtoes

"I think she failed to realise it was in the King’s speech in October."

Well that would be because it wasn't in the Kings Speech July 2024.

The Children’s Wellbeing
and Schools Bill that you are referring to does not implement the urgent recommendations of the Jay inquiry which were:

  1. Mandatory reporting of child sexual abuse
  2. National financial compensation scheme for abuse victims
  3. Creation of a Child Protection Authority

The Children's Wellbeing and Schools Bill does not implement any of those recommendations.

The closest it comes is creating a duty to share information for safeguarding and promoting children’s welfare.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6769425bbe7b2c675de309bb/ChildrenssWellbeinganddSchoolsBilllPolicySummaryyNotes.pdf

1dayatatime · 08/01/2025 12:39

@Goldenbear

"But she has also said that no new inquiry is needed didn't she?"

Yes she has on the grounds that she feels the Government should focus on implementing her urgent recommendations first before starting another inquiry, which I would fully agree with.

I also agree with her that the positive effect of Musk's X posts has been to generate publicity and move this issue up the political agenda to implement these urgent recommendations. But I guess in the opinion of Kier Starmer that would make her "far right" and in the view of previous posters "naive".

bombastix · 08/01/2025 12:40

Misinformation

Goldenbear · 08/01/2025 12:49

ilovesooty · 08/01/2025 12:33

"Lefty grown ups"?
I'm rather concerned by the risk of violence to MPs, such as Jess Phillips.

Yes, exactly, who would be an MP these days, particularly if you are a woman, I don't know why people are seemingly desperate for anarchy to replace democracy.

Alexandra2001 · 08/01/2025 12:49

1dayatatime · 08/01/2025 12:34

@BIossomtoes

"I think she failed to realise it was in the King’s speech in October."

Well that would be because it wasn't in the Kings Speech July 2024.

The Children’s Wellbeing
and Schools Bill that you are referring to does not implement the urgent recommendations of the Jay inquiry which were:

  1. Mandatory reporting of child sexual abuse
  2. National financial compensation scheme for abuse victims
  3. Creation of a Child Protection Authority

The Children's Wellbeing and Schools Bill does not implement any of those recommendations.

The closest it comes is creating a duty to share information for safeguarding and promoting children’s welfare.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6769425bbe7b2c675de309bb/ChildrenssWellbeinganddSchoolsBilllPolicySummaryyNotes.pdf

Yvette Cooper made a speech to Parliament yesterday in which she said:

Professionals who work with children will face criminal sanctions if they fail to report claims of child sexual abuse under a law to be introduced this year, Yvette Cooper has told MPs

You ought to know this but persist with spreading incorrect information.

Lalgarh · 08/01/2025 12:49

Incidentally, the origin of most of these men convicted is actually far more specific than just "Pakistani". Most are from the Mirpur region of Pakistan/ Azad Kashmir

BIossomtoes · 08/01/2025 12:51

Alexandra2001 · 08/01/2025 12:49

Yvette Cooper made a speech to Parliament yesterday in which she said:

Professionals who work with children will face criminal sanctions if they fail to report claims of child sexual abuse under a law to be introduced this year, Yvette Cooper has told MPs

You ought to know this but persist with spreading incorrect information.

She does know. It just doesn’t fit her agenda.

Goldenbear · 08/01/2025 12:52

1dayatatime · 08/01/2025 12:39

@Goldenbear

"But she has also said that no new inquiry is needed didn't she?"

Yes she has on the grounds that she feels the Government should focus on implementing her urgent recommendations first before starting another inquiry, which I would fully agree with.

I also agree with her that the positive effect of Musk's X posts has been to generate publicity and move this issue up the political agenda to implement these urgent recommendations. But I guess in the opinion of Kier Starmer that would make her "far right" and in the view of previous posters "naive".

Has she said that she wants another inquiry following the implementation of her recommendations? What would the point of that be? I thought she said the time had passed for a lengthy examination?

Echobelly · 08/01/2025 12:54

I think the best thing is to brush him off and say 'This country isn't governed by tweets'; trying to mount some sort of action would only gratify Musk's ego. What he hates is not being revered and feared.

1dayatatime · 08/01/2025 13:32

@Alexandra2001

"Yvette Cooper made a speech to Parliament yesterday in which she said:

Professionals who work with children will face criminal sanctions if they fail to report claims of child sexual abuse under a law to be introduced this year, Yvette Cooper has told MPs

You ought to know this but persist with spreading incorrect information."

This comment, which I welcome, by Yvette Cooper was only made yesterday, in part because of the publicity Musk's posts has raised moving the issue up the political agenda. This is not just my view but also the view of Professor Jay.

The Children's Wellbeing and Schools Bill published as recently as December 2024 makes no mention of "professionals who work with children will face criminal sanctions if they fail to report claims of child sexual abuse"

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6769425bbe7b2c675de309bb/ChildrenssWellbeinganddSchoolsBilllPolicySummaryyNotes.pdf

So something has happened between December 2024 and January 2025 that has made Yvette Cooper decide to include the recommendation of the Jay inquiry for "professionals who work with children will face criminal sanctions if they fail to report claims of child sexual abuse"

That something in my opinion is the publicity that the Musk posts have generated.

Please point out my incorrect information or misinformation.

Alexandra2001 · 08/01/2025 14:07

1dayatatime · 08/01/2025 13:32

@Alexandra2001

"Yvette Cooper made a speech to Parliament yesterday in which she said:

Professionals who work with children will face criminal sanctions if they fail to report claims of child sexual abuse under a law to be introduced this year, Yvette Cooper has told MPs

You ought to know this but persist with spreading incorrect information."

This comment, which I welcome, by Yvette Cooper was only made yesterday, in part because of the publicity Musk's posts has raised moving the issue up the political agenda. This is not just my view but also the view of Professor Jay.

The Children's Wellbeing and Schools Bill published as recently as December 2024 makes no mention of "professionals who work with children will face criminal sanctions if they fail to report claims of child sexual abuse"

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6769425bbe7b2c675de309bb/ChildrenssWellbeinganddSchoolsBilllPolicySummaryyNotes.pdf

So something has happened between December 2024 and January 2025 that has made Yvette Cooper decide to include the recommendation of the Jay inquiry for "professionals who work with children will face criminal sanctions if they fail to report claims of child sexual abuse"

That something in my opinion is the publicity that the Musk posts have generated.

Please point out my incorrect information or misinformation.

So you persisted saying it wasn't in the bill, despite knowing it was going to be put into law...

That could be construed as mischievous, not that you'd do anything like that.