To think that Musk is now overstepping himself and the UK gvt should threaten action

[Bogginsthe3rd]

Musk has just posted this on twitter (among other unhinged tweets). To me this reads as a thinly veiled threat to democratically elected UK MPs and actually the UK government should consider sanctions to the US if he continues this attack when he enters the White House?

Well he has at least triggered action on the recommendations of the Jay enquiry when for the last 2.5 years nothing has been done by either the Conservatives or Labour.

100% agree.

No he hasn’t, that was in the King’s speech last year.

He terrifies you - bloody hell you've obviously never lived in the north!

Musk has brought back into the spotlight the fact that so far none of the recommendations of the 2022 Jay inquiry have been implemented.

Those who wish that Musk should stop posting about the child abuse scandal are of a scarily similar mindset to those that wanted to brush the matter under the carpet at the time.

That is relatively unlikely. A driving offence or simple drugs possession doesn't lead to a deportation order being made, unless by "driving offence" someone means "causing death by dangerous driving" or similar. You don't get a custodial sentence to trigger the deportation provisions for long enough for simple possession or a standard driving offences, and people who've lived in the UK since childhood might well fall within one of the exceptions to deportation even if they do get sentences over 12 months.

I've just looked up some articles about this, and @EmmaMaria 's post was also, frankly, pretty misleading. The statement, "The other 28 were guilty of minor offences such as possession or in at least one case a driving offence." is not correct. Our of the 29, one appears to have been convicted of murder, but the other 28 or so can't reasonably be described as "minor offences". The BBC says, "The individuals on the flight - who numbered more than 30 - included 14 people convicted of drugs offences, six people convicted of a violent crime and one person convicted of dangerous driving." 14 people convicted of drugs offences doesn't mean 14 people convicted of simple possession, "drugs offences" covers quite a range up to and including massive dealing. Dangerous driving isn't what most people would ever think was just a "driving offence".

The Independent said, "Vance Brown, the father of Chevon Brown, 23, who was placed on the flight after serving a seven-month sentence for a driving offence – the only crime he has been convicted of – said he felt “sick to his stomach” by the home secretary’s claims." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sajid-javid-jamaica-deportation-crimes-home-office-hostile-environment-immigration-a8767986.html

If you search for that name, however, he didn't serve a 7 month sentence, he spent 7 (elsewhere it says 8) months in prison out of a 14 month sentence (taking it over the 12 months I mentioned above, which is a crucial test). Turns out that Chevon Brown was arrested after a high-speed car chase through Oxford (115mph!) and had no licence or insurance. "The 21-year-old led a police chase for about five minutes, drove on the wrong side of the road, through red lights and across front gardens outside a block of flats"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48237126

Whether or not you think those particular deportations were right or wrong, it is no more correct to say 28 of them were for "minor offences" than it is to say they were all rapists, murderers, etc

Sure, but what is his motivation for doing so? It isn't likely that he has justice at heart. It's self-interest. He's playing around in British politics just like a digital puppeteer - it's working brilliantly, too.

@LondonLawyer can someone with dual citizenship be deported?

@LondonLawyer ignore my question. I've just read one of your other posts and found the answer.

What about those perps who were advised by their lawyers to renounce their Pakistani citizenship? Rendering them stateless? Was this done to avoid deportation?

The grooming gang reports came out, nationally in in 1998, thats 27 years ago.

CSA more generally, has been known about for decades and not reported nationally but has been in more less well known publications but ignored by the MSM, just as Savilles crimes were known but ignored.

As for the Jay report recommendations, they were called for to be implemented by Yvette Cooper in opposition, when the report came out.

Pre Election, both LD's and Labour called again for them to be enacted and said they would once in power.

As i said earlier, nothing wrong with Musk raising this issue, what is wrong is stirring hate and division, endangering peoples lives, tweets still up and added too, calling for Starmer and JP to be killed.

Few condemn this, its all part of the cut n thrust of politics hey!

@JessaWoo

"Sure, but what is his motivation for doing so? It isn't likely that he has justice at heart. It's self-interest. He's playing around in British politics just like a digital puppeteer - it's working brilliantly, too."

Musk's motivation in highlighting these crimes is political, he is a supporter of right wing political parties and the global political shift to the right.

Similarly Labour's motivations in minimising these crimes is political. Publicity on these crimes and the lack of any implementation of the Jay inquiry is electorally damaging to the left and beneficial to the right as confirmed by Simon Danzuk, a former Labour MP.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/01/02/simon-danczuk-tony-lloyd-ex-labour-chairman-grooming-gangs/

How is implementing the recommendations of the Jay report “minimising the crimes”? It was the Tory government that sat on the report for 2.5 years and did nothing. According to Nadine Dorries it never even appeared on the cabinet table.

Exactly & its disappointing that people keep repeating the slurs against Labour, no recognition that they promised pre election to implement changes and are doing so.

@BIossomtoes

"How is implementing the recommendations of the Jay report “minimising the crimes”? It was the Tory government that sat on the report for 2.5 years and did nothing. According to Nadine Dorries it never even appeared on the cabinet table."

What is minimising the crimes for political advantage is

Labour MP Simon Danczuk said he was warned by senior party figures not to mention the ethnicity or religion of grooming gang perpetrators due to concerns over electoral impact.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/01/02/simon-danczuk-tony-lloyd-ex-labour-chairman-grooming-gangs/

Yes of the 2.5 year delay in implementing the recommendations of the Jay inquiry, the Conservatives didn't do anything for 2 years and Labour nothing for the last 6 months.

Yes

I’d trust this rather than the most right wing biased media outlet other than G B News. This government has done more about this in six months than the previous one ever managed. Remember Johnson’s delightful “spaffing against the wall” remark?

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/tackling-child-sexual-abuse

Yes of the 2.5 year delay in implementing the recommendations of the Jay inquiry, the Conservatives didn't do anything for 2 years and Labour nothing for the last 6 months

For 2 of those months, Parliament wasn't even sitting.

Legislation takes time.

This was an inquiry the Cons, rightly, commissioned, yet according to former cabinet minister Dorris, wasn't even discussed at cabinet.

Too much ping pong going on here.... Labour are acting and yes they could do more but at least they have made a start.

This is why Musk is dangerous. How many people have seen this list and believe that it was about deporting rapists? How many people have now seen it posted on here and believe the same? I had to get to page 11 on this post before someone pointed out that it was fake/misinformation and I've gone through a few more pages (admittedly not all) and nobody has picked up on this.

Just to be clear. I have no problem with Musk shining a light on the issue of grooming gangs. Although none of the information is new news, the lack of interest from the public and the previous government has been astonishing, so it is good that people care. What is objectionable is the spread of misinformation, the incitement to hate, the apportioning blame where it doesn't belong. The current government are the ones who are acting on the recommendations and were doing so long before Musk got involved.

Those of us who have lived experience of surviving grooming, CSA and rape as girls, know exactly who is tackling child sexual abuse in these northern towns and who isn't. Not all of us were traumatised to the point that we are rendered incapable. There are a cohort of us who were lucky enough to not be submerged by it. I was very lucky to have the unearned privilege of a decent level of cognition, some economic privilege and being able to access higher education and it taught me about my vulnerabilities and the social determinants of health & wellbeing and how the system creates gaps for exploitation for girls like I used to be.

I healed through my education, alongside support from NAPAC, Rape Crisis, NHS Psychiatrists, ISVA's, IAPT, the police and Victim Support. I have since worked with girls and boys who are survivors of CSA and CSE (in children's social care, research and child and adolescent mental health services). I am about to go into a national team. Elon Musk knows nothing about the worker bees on the frontline, the evidence gathering in research, the policy action, the third sector input, the people wiping the tears and snot and telling survivors it's not their fault, the hand holding to ensure you don't drown, the police intelligence being gathered, the prevention that's happening right now. It's not perfect, it isn't completely resolved but we are a lot further forward than in 1996 when it started happening to me. Elon Musk, Tommy Robinson, Nigel Farage don't advocate for prevention, they look back and their red faced, spittle shouting outrage isn't changing anything - I know who is tackling and preventing CSA today, and tomorrow and next year. They don't need to write it on social media, they are just getting on with doing it.

The point is that Musk isn't raising awareness. He is distributing misinformation. To millions of people. Some of whom are likely to be unhinged enough to make threats to people like Jess Phillips on the basis she is some kind of rape apologist.

When you look at people who are caught harassing or trying to harm politicians in the UK they often draw on social media as part of their thinking.

We all have to think about what it might be like to be lied about and then that distributed on the internet. I know I would be frightened.

Labour were already putting the recommendations into action. Nothing to do with Musk.

Inquiry. Not sure why people keep using Enquiry. Suggests they haven't read it or any proper source. After days of seeing this on MN it suggests these posters only get their info from SM

Couple of radio programmes.

1. File on 4 from October 2022 about a young woman caught up in a grooming gang. This also features Jess Philips who literally offered her shelter as a means of escape.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001cdts

Victims of grooming who are UK born seem to be unable to access help from modern slavery resources.

And about to start: in dark corners about the Peadophile information exchange who had hundreds of members in the 1980s in teaching and social services. The other side of this was the services who'd be presented with girls pregnant multiple times before 13 and send them away with 'affirming' care like more condoms because they were under the impression she was xploring her sexuality rather than being trapped

The point is that Musk isn't raising awareness. He is distributing misinformation. To millions of people

I agree he's trying to, @bombastix, and much of Twitter is pure misinformation anyway, but it only really works with the kind of mentality who swallow whatever they read wholesale instead of using it as a spur to look further into something that interests them

I also agree he's playing silly games, fancies himself as some massive influence and doesn't actually give a damn about the victims, but I still think it's no bad thing for awareness to be raised - or at least for as long as folk stay interested