To think that Musk is now overstepping himself and the UK gvt should threaten action

[Bogginsthe3rd]

Musk has just posted this on twitter (among other unhinged tweets). To me this reads as a thinly veiled threat to democratically elected UK MPs and actually the UK government should consider sanctions to the US if he continues this attack when he enters the White House?

@JRSKSSBH I was listening to someone talk about the UK s struggle with victim and perpetrator rights. This person works now in some foundation I forget the name of.
He said in Australia they don't think twice about deporting violent criminals they put the safety, the safety of their citizens over the human rights of people who put that safety at risk.

Why do we struggle with this? How can we address it?

And his history with Epstein and Maxwell.

You are splitting hairs - son of immigrants committing a terrorist act - Jesus!

There was another interesting commentator on lbc this evening Andew marr I think.
He was criticising musk but said, isn't it sad that we have such poor politicians that we have had to rely on someone like musk lobbing grenades into UK politics to get traction on this issue.

I thought that was Lammy and Mahmood, who represented their constituents, one of who had a career in the UK armed forces. The vast majority of the offences were relatively minor drug offences.

Exactly, I read every single think Andrew Norfolk wrote about this and I didn’t know any of this stuff. There were references to some things but a lot of the other stuff is new to me. This isn’t a scandal it’s a massive crime committed against thousands of children across decades and is still ongoing. I am a paid subscriber to something like 4 newspapers and 3 current affairs magazines. If I didn’t know I am not surprised others didn’t know about the depth of depravity.

Stop giving a fuck about offenders. I’ve always thought personal civil rights are paramount, a society that protects a disliked minority was always righteous to my mind. Increasingly though people are weaponising their minority status to get away with the most horrendous shit. We need to centre victims. I think I hadn’t truly comprehended how sociopathic some people are and the only way to deal with them is to just lock them up for a very long time and minimise their contact with the rest of society.

I remember a sex offender we couldn’t deport to Afghanistan because the taliban may do something to him. I just thought “well who cares really” either he is free soon and carried on assaulting women and girls in the Uk or he can go to Afghanistan and whatever happens there is his own fault. I manage to go everyday without sexually assaulting anyone. It is not difficult. He put himself in this position and I don’t feel like it’s our job to protect criminals from the consequences of their own actions.

@User37482@User37482 yes lots more information has come out but it's interesting to review it all with the new times we are in.
It has sadly been going on since the 70s but only properly came to light in 2008 ish. From 2008 to now we have moved on so much for the good but we are still being held back.

The judge who gave a perp a longer sentence for attacking a Pakistani girl, because she would have suffered more and her parents would not be able to marry her off highlight so many problems with our collective thinking and priorities.

It puts women and girls of their origin country at risk.

@Annabella92 so we sacrifice our children?

Our governments job is to look after us, no one else us.

That is literally their job.

Not too sure about the "best intentions", but otherwise I agree completely

Except there's a problem in that many of those possessed of these attitudes are the very ones running our institutions now, be that government, the police, the judiciary or whatever

Many of the wider public may well have moved on, but those ossified in their extreme liberalism haven't, and it's precisely because they feel neither guilt nor shame that they won't be easy to dislodge

I don't support any political party. Don't even vote, who on earth is there to vote for?

Yes, I keep hearing this "best intentions" and "noble motives", this only applies if you see these girls as acceptable sacrifices.

Generally it’s because it puts the perpetrators at risk. I remember a sentencing by a judge in Pakistan of a serial child rapist and murder. He was to be cut up and dissolved in acid like his victims were. Unfortunately he died in prison (or committed suicide, can’t remember which) before this could happen.

I was playing devil's advocate actually. I fully agree which is why I called two tier Kier treasonous upthread.

I see it as craven self interest tbh.

Keir Starmer ‘opposed’ expulsion of rapist Fabian Henry;

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/keir-starmer-opposed-expulsion-of-rapist-fabian-henry-7ccts05zk

Omg, progressive Muslim Dr taj Haregy.

The left have strange bed fellows, they have an unholy alliance with ultra conservative extremist Muslims.

He wants to buy Liverpool Football Club according to his dad. Ah well. I'll have to revert to my no 2 club Southend United. I know it's a bit of a drop but needs must when the devil drives.

You can't deport British citizens. A British citizen with another nationality can't be deported. One of the fundamentals of British citizenship is that you have the "right of abode" - which means you can't be chucked out.

Brown thought she was swearing - misheard 'flocking' as ' fucking' apparently? Or so I've read. Certainly seemed very angry.

Thanks Clav. I particularly like this bit of the article

”The idea that a letter from MPs questioning process led to dangerous criminals going on to commit crime is as weak as this government’s running of the Home Office.”

I can think of many.

1. They do not /no longer posess foreign nationality.
2. They are only “technically” foreign (e.g arrived in the UK at months old ) and lived their entire life here
3. They have underaged dependents who are British nationals who will not be removed from them full time
4. The nature of the crime (e.g an 18 year old having “consensual” sex with a 15 year old has committed a crime but potentially not meeting the threshold for it to be considered a deportable offence.

Simply off the top of my head but I would need to read the details of the case before making a decision.

And being a post graduate in and of itself does not make an individual intelligent of capable of complex thought. I have known many a grad with a highly skilled profession that still is thick as mince.

Bonkers. Cognitive dissonance. He's exposed the mass rape and torture of thousands of girls, many of them children. How can anyone read the descriptions of what happened to these poor girls (their treatment by the authorities is almost as shocking as the rapes and torture) and come to the conclusion that Musk is the terrifying one. The brutality and dehumanisation was hidden under the anodyne use of the word "grooming" and without Musk few people would be exposed to the details - inhumane and barbaric abuse these girls endured. I'm pleased there is a Musk (however flawed) to expose such awful details.

He’s exposed nothing. There have been seven if not eight investigations and the previous government never even discussed the Jay report in cabinet.