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To think Elon Musk has gone nuts

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Viviennemary · 06/01/2025 18:15

What on earth is going on with him. Calling for Nagel Farage to resign. Now wanting the PM to resign amd said we have a tyrannical government. It's all a bit odd.

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BornFreeButinChains · 07/01/2025 19:30

Boris Johnson also agreed with no more enquires and said 60 million had been spaffed on it. He also wanted to get on with implementing the recommendations.

What people keep missing is that all the recent scandals are throwing up is a fundamental police issue.

How can we change the police.
Even the Al fayed scandal had victims going to the police and gained no traction.

noblegiraffe · 07/01/2025 19:51

Jess Phillips admitting that Elon Musk's tweets about her have endangered her life

https://x.com/bbcnewsnight/status/1876691068915527917?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

x.com

https://x.com/bbcnewsnight/status/1876691068915527917?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

TheNuthatch · 07/01/2025 19:57

Feelingathomenow · 07/01/2025 19:09

Oldham council clearly think something has been missed by the existing enquiries. The recommendations seem to focus on social services rather than the perpetrators. There’s no reason some recommendations can’t be implemented whilst conducting a wider enquiry

Spot on.
Oldham council should never be trusted to conduct their own inquiry into this. The leader of Oldham Council has an awful reputation and is associated with a particularly nasty criminal.

Feelingathomenow · 07/01/2025 19:59

cardibach · 07/01/2025 19:20

A national inquiry into a local issue? I’m sure it’s possible to have a independent local inquiry.

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I’ll believe the local authority in question. I would assume they had a better grasp of whether this issue would be best dealt with locally or nationally and that the local authority understood the risks associated with a local investigation in their local area. Do you not agree?

Feelingathomenow · 07/01/2025 20:24

Why?

DuncinToffee · 07/01/2025 20:27

Feelingathomenow · 07/01/2025 20:24

Why?

Because free speech has consequences

Feelingathomenow · 07/01/2025 20:29

DuncinToffee · 07/01/2025 20:27

Because free speech has consequences

Maybe it might be helpful for the poster to summarise. Rather than just posting a random link with no explanation

cardibach · 07/01/2025 20:31

Feelingathomenow · 07/01/2025 20:24

Why?

To hear a different perspective?

cardibach · 07/01/2025 20:32

Feelingathomenow · 07/01/2025 20:29

Maybe it might be helpful for the poster to summarise. Rather than just posting a random link with no explanation

Ok. Fair. I intended it to post with the summary but it just did the link. It’s Jess Phillips talking about the increased risk to her life since Musk weighed in and what would make that risk worthwhile in her view.

Feelingathomenow · 07/01/2025 20:36

cardibach · 07/01/2025 20:32

Ok. Fair. I intended it to post with the summary but it just did the link. It’s Jess Phillips talking about the increased risk to her life since Musk weighed in and what would make that risk worthwhile in her view.

Thank you. I’ll take a listen

Feelingathomenow · 07/01/2025 20:39

cardibach · 07/01/2025 20:32

Ok. Fair. I intended it to post with the summary but it just did the link. It’s Jess Phillips talking about the increased risk to her life since Musk weighed in and what would make that risk worthwhile in her view.

Sorry is this the bbc interview - can’t download that app on my phone - do you have another link?

DuncinToffee · 07/01/2025 20:40

Channel 4 interview

Cathy Newman, "Has Elon Musk endangered your life?" #C4News

Jess Phillips, "There is absolutely no doubt that his whole storm has meant that I've had to make changes to my life"

CN, "Security changes?"

JP, "Yes.. I won't let it change my life.. I have a job to do and I'm going to crack on"

bsky.app/profile/implausibleblog.bsky.social/post/3lf6ipw46us2q

cardibach · 07/01/2025 20:47

Feelingathomenow · 07/01/2025 20:39

Sorry is this the bbc interview - can’t download that app on my phone - do you have another link?

It’s the BBC interview, yes - it should open in a browser, but these things gs are glitchy. Thanks for trying.
Edit: she ends by saying it will be worth it if they can make changes to help vulnerable women and girls, and she’s confident they will.

DuncinToffee · 07/01/2025 20:50

Feelingathomenow · 07/01/2025 20:39

Sorry is this the bbc interview - can’t download that app on my phone - do you have another link?

If you are on X, noblegiraffe posted the link up thread in her 19:51 post

FennelPotion · 07/01/2025 20:55

cardibach · 07/01/2025 19:20

A national inquiry into a local issue? I’m sure it’s possible to have a independent local inquiry.

Edited

No. Networks and loyalties run too deep. Independent local inquiry into this sensitive matter is an oxymoron.

FennelPotion · 07/01/2025 21:02

Jess Phillips, "There is absolutely no doubt that his whole storm has meant that I've had to make changes to my life"
This is terrible for Jess and her family as well as for wider society. Let's also not forget that thousands of children and their families have had to make changes to their lives and yet emotional and physical safety in their home towns was not afforded to them. As a politician Phillips is in the public eye and is rightly sharing her experience with a wider audience. I feel sorry for the thousands of victims of traffic gangs who don't have a platform to speak from and whose lives have been turned upside down.

PeppyGreenFinch · 07/01/2025 21:03

BornFreeButinChains · 07/01/2025 19:30

Boris Johnson also agreed with no more enquires and said 60 million had been spaffed on it. He also wanted to get on with implementing the recommendations.

What people keep missing is that all the recent scandals are throwing up is a fundamental police issue.

How can we change the police.
Even the Al fayed scandal had victims going to the police and gained no traction.

I agree re police. Some of the girls said the police were asking them out instead of trying to help them.

The police treatment of women who are rape and DV victims is so bad, how could we think that they would be any better with young girls.

cardibach · 07/01/2025 21:17

FennelPotion · 07/01/2025 21:02

Jess Phillips, "There is absolutely no doubt that his whole storm has meant that I've had to make changes to my life"
This is terrible for Jess and her family as well as for wider society. Let's also not forget that thousands of children and their families have had to make changes to their lives and yet emotional and physical safety in their home towns was not afforded to them. As a politician Phillips is in the public eye and is rightly sharing her experience with a wider audience. I feel sorry for the thousands of victims of traffic gangs who don't have a platform to speak from and whose lives have been turned upside down.

She is giving them a platform though. She’s standing up for them. She’s not doing a woe is me victim routine - shame actually said she has bigger things to worry about than Elon Musk. https://www.threads.net/@skynews/post/DEiP2zTtryt?xmt=AQGzFGEvJjOiQJPw495r0wxa8RMPMvF7gtG3hqgw-nj88Q
sky interview.

Threads

https://www.threads.net/@skynews/post/DEiP2zTtryt?xmt=AQGzFGEvJjOiQJPw495r0wxa8RMPMvF7gtG3hqgw-nj88Q

Feelingathomenow · 07/01/2025 21:21

DuncinToffee · 07/01/2025 20:40

Channel 4 interview

Cathy Newman, "Has Elon Musk endangered your life?" #C4News

Jess Phillips, "There is absolutely no doubt that his whole storm has meant that I've had to make changes to my life"

CN, "Security changes?"

JP, "Yes.. I won't let it change my life.. I have a job to do and I'm going to crack on"

bsky.app/profile/implausibleblog.bsky.social/post/3lf6ipw46us2q

Thanks that’s helpful. Unfortunately, those in power have always been a target for those who disagree with them, you can trace this back millennia.

What this really brings to light is the power we have given social media and that is down to us all. Our family reading nights currently consist of Ian Lucas “Digital Gangster”. It’s so important to educate our children about the way social media manipulates. At 12 my son understands the way news is manipulated, he understands the importance of books on shelves rather than the cloud. He understands that throughout history there have been manipulators
and that the existence of these people will continue for as long as humanity does.

No one should feel threatened by the actions or words of another, but this has long been a consequence of human groups. We are hierarchical in nature, we are not all equal and some will always use whatever means to get to the top. Technology is making this more and more relevant as it infiltrates our homes.

If our Government somehow shuts down Elon Musk, another wanna be global leader will arise. They do that and a power vacuum rarely leads to an improved local dictator - keep an eye on Syria for that. The floodgates are open on how we receive information, if you control the flow of information you can control reality for a lot of people. You won’t stop the power hungry. The only thing you can do is teach citizens self defence. By that I mean, critical thinking, being able to research without the use of the internet (and fuck Chat Gp or whatever it’s called and the like - it doesn’t research it advertises and brainwashes). Looking at things in multiple ways, understanding paradoxes, understanding nuance. Screw the obsession with Stem subjects - bring the 7 liberal arts to the forefront of every school curriculum. Humans are adaptable, we need to adapt to the fact tech is dangerous more than helpful. It is a weapon. We need to learn to defend ourselves. Tech is a threat to democracy, but there’s no shoving that car back in the bag I’m afraid. Democracies need to respond to survive.

I feel sorry for Jess, she seems like a nice woman who is trying her best (although I don’t agree with her decision that is a seperate issue), and she must be scared. But shutting down free speech is not the answer, who decides what is allowed and not allowed? Look at Mark Zuckerbergs comments and actions today to see how politically driven this distinction is.

We need to act now to ensure that this virus that is social media (which will be exploited by every megalomaniac going forevermore) is limited in its effect by shoring up societies defences. Tech is only the friend of the person getting an advantage from it we need to ensure it is serving us.

We need to address the situations people are in that leave them vulnerable to every passing messiah and that includes real honesty, however uncomfortable of the experiences people are facing. This is right across the spectrum from young Muslims dragged into the death cult that is Isis, to white men finally feeling understood by the likes ofTommy Robinson.

The first step towards that is to stop being so divided. Look how we have slowly been manipulated into choosing sides, to vilifying anyone who doesn’t think like us, doesn’t put an X in the same place on a ballot sheet. Tory, Labour they’re just the same, slightly different accents, and coloured ties:blouses. It’s a waste of energy arguing over who tinkers with the same system best. It’s a tactic as old as time, divide and conquer. Ignore Musk et al and the divisions they cause, they’re just version 1.0 of the people who will use technology to create empires. Why take a wild black horse gather troops and march across continents when you can sit at your desk - build your own library in your new city and gather all the information of humanity in it. look at working with others, look at different perspectives, be honest about problems by understanding the problem in preference to defending your own position,

DuncinToffee · 07/01/2025 21:28

So in your opinion it is absolutely fine to lie and call a female MP a a "rape genocide apologist'?
@Feelingathomenow

Feelingathomenow · 07/01/2025 21:31

DuncinToffee · 07/01/2025 21:28

So in your opinion it is absolutely fine to lie and call a female MP a a "rape genocide apologist'?
@Feelingathomenow

Where did I say that? I utterly despair! I’m saying it’s impossible to stop people saying that, even if you stop one person, someone else will be along to say something worse. The best way to counter the effects of someone’s words is by teaching people how to react to them and by sorting out the issues that make people vulnerable to listening to them.

cardibach · 07/01/2025 21:34

Feelingathomenow · 07/01/2025 21:31

Where did I say that? I utterly despair! I’m saying it’s impossible to stop people saying that, even if you stop one person, someone else will be along to say something worse. The best way to counter the effects of someone’s words is by teaching people how to react to them and by sorting out the issues that make people vulnerable to listening to them.

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You said we shouldn’t shut Musk down. That’s what he said. So either you think it’s ok for him to say it or it’s ok to shut him down when he says stuff like that. Which is it?

DuncinToffee · 07/01/2025 21:38

Feelingathomenow · 07/01/2025 21:31

Where did I say that? I utterly despair! I’m saying it’s impossible to stop people saying that, even if you stop one person, someone else will be along to say something worse. The best way to counter the effects of someone’s words is by teaching people how to react to them and by sorting out the issues that make people vulnerable to listening to them.

Edited

I feel sorry for Jess, she seems like a nice woman who is trying her best (although I don’t agree with her decision that is a seperate issue), and she must be scared. But shutting down free speech is not the answer, who decides what is allowed and not allowed? Look at Mark Zuckerbergs comments and actions today to see how politically driven this distinction is.

So it's fine for Musk to tweet the attacks on JP?

BaseXz · 07/01/2025 21:43

MNHQ have just deleted my post in support of Elon Musk. No idea why - as it was short and polite and didn’t break any guidelines that I could see, plus it got two upvotes. I‘be always believed that censorship by the blob extends to MNHQ, but then it always has. I also believe they put the “hate Musk” thread in “trending” deliberately.

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