Absolutely shit scared about the future in the UK?

[JDNCh]

Name changed - I’m genuinely terrified by the hate, division and atmosphere here right now, online and spilling over on the ‘the real world’. I’m scared by how quickly things are changing, and just how much influence the US/Elon Musk/Reform+supporters are having. I’m scared of what the actual point of it all is - what’s the endgame? And what’s the solution? Why is no one protesting/rising up from the other way? Do people generally agree with all this?

I’m in no way a minority (white, female, 30s), I’m not super left, I have one little boy and I’m so scared for his future. I don’t want to live somewhere so intolerant with this constant atmosphere of distrust and something getting ready to blow.

What’s the general consensus? Is this what the people of the U.K. want?

I'm not worried about this government. I'm worried about people voting Tory (and Reform ) next time because we've had 14 years of the worst government I've ever seen under Tory rule and we still see posts like this.

The Torys were asleep at the wheel and this is why we're in a state. David Cameron, who ushered in the disaster that is Brexit looked like an intellectual giant next to the likes of Truss. Mendacity doesn't come much worse than Boris and Rees Mogg. They have governed for their rich friends, taken from the till and a government that has been in power for just 6 months is being vilified. Blimey, have you been out of the country for the last decade and a half.

Sure things aren't going to be ideal with Labour. But still our opposition is bleating on about small boats. Why isn't Kemi saying anything about increasing housing stock, cleaning up our water ways or the annual allowance freeze, for example. That would be useful for all of us. They did nothing in power and do nothing in opposition. I despair how the Torys have brought the country to its knees, alongside creating a xenophobic, toxic atmosphere that normalises Far Right billionaires interfering in another Nations politics.

The number of times I've heard that Elon is a good bloke on this website today! Do we all think Tommy's a great guy now because he's not a part of a brown rape gang, oh so that's ok then. Ffs, I'm terrified.

The Tories may have left a mess behind, but voters didn’t vote for Labour. They voted to get the Tories out, and then ended up with Labour, because it was a two horse election. People now don’t get that so many people dislike Labour, but the reality is that the majority never liked Labour, they just disliked the Tories more. There’s now a calling by many for a new party to enter the arena. Someone who listens to the majority, and acts in our best interests. Not someone who says what they think we want to hear to get their arses into number 10, then screw us over. I think we’re on the brink of a huge change in the direction we as a country are going to go politically.

There’s now a calling by many for a new party to enter the arena. Someone who listens to the majority, and acts in our best interests.

And who is that?

It’s clear we need someone in power who truly understands the realities of the working class - someone who has started with nothing and worked their way up, experiencing firsthand the struggles of ordinary people. Parliament is full of individuals who have only ever known wealth, privilege, and private schools, completely disconnected from the lives of those they are meant to represent.

We need leaders who have seen a hard day’s work, who understand the sacrifices people make to put food on the table or keep a roof over their heads. Only then can policies be created that address the real issues facing the majority, rather than protecting the interests of the elite.

Yet, the system is so deeply entrenched in wealth and privilege that it feels almost impossible for such a leader to rise. The pathways to power seem designed to exclude those who haven’t come from affluence. Until this changes, the disconnect between politicians and the people will remain, and the voices of the working class will continue to go unheard.

or until there’s civil unrest which feels inevitable at this point nothing will change. People are too scared to voice their frustrations, but the UK is in absolute disarray. Women are losing their rights, criminals walk free because the system is too scared to prosecute, and children are being exposed to ideologies in schools before they’re old enough to understand.

We need to slow immigration to sustainable levels, bringing in people with the skills the country truly needs, not overwhelming an already collapsing system. At the same time, we must stop handing out benefits without proper checks—welfare should support those who genuinely need help, not be exploited.

Hardworking taxpayers are struggling, while our NHS is falling apart, families can’t heat their homes, and food banks are now a way of life. It’s not cruel to demand fairness and sustainability—it’s common sense.

Do you genuinely think there are bots posting on mumsnet?

@Annabella92

I don't know if they are bots or people paid to promote an agenda. But there are definitely not genuine posters who are promoting far right ideology and pretending to be something they are not. This is prolific on most social media platforms.

In the recent Irish election, a journalist found 150 accounts that had been recently created and were spouting hate and lies to whip up fear and division. They were pretending to be Irish but on investigation of their posts they were found to often speak in broken English or have zero understanding of the Irish government. From what I can see this is the tip of the iceberg and this is happening throughout Europe. Thousands of racist comments under articles etc., that type of thing. This minority flood articles with comments and make us believe they are a majority.

This article is old but explains bots and their activity around Brexit.

amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/14/how-400-russia-run-fake-accounts-posted-bogus-brexit-tweets

Exactly what I was going to say.

Without the internet we'd be oblivious to most of this stuff.

We need to slow immigration to sustainable levels,

Which is? To support the ageing population, we need far more workers. You can argue about the fact it’s a Ponzi scheme which it is but where do we get the money otherwise?

We had that opportunity. No one took it. They grabbed him, shook him, twisted him, wrung him out and made him out to be an absolute dreg at the bottom of the barrel.

I've never been so sad. I probably won't reply to this thread tbh, it's not something I do on here because I'll get too irate.

But we all had the chance. They just decided to hang the poor fucker out to dry instead. I hope they're happy with what they got in his place.

Who are you talking about? Surely not Jeremy Corbyn?

@mollyfolk

I really hope there are right wing bot accounts. It's really scary otherwise. Do people really think this way.

Honestly, the poison that is "stopping immigration". This is a nonsense and a distraction from the real problems. We need young people to support our aging population and our lowered birth rate.

Agree with the poster who said that we need politicians that have done a hard days work. Starmer is that though.

However, my brother had homophobic graffiti on his house after 20yrs + in the same place in London and I think that has really rattled me that it’s come ‘off the internet’ and we’re seeing this huge regression in attitudes.
I suspect this homophobia is because the LGB aligned themselves with the TQ+. Resentment is building as kids are getting caught up in it and hurt. Also people are aggressively attacked if they don't go along with it.
Also many new immigrants to this country don't approve of the LGB.

The vast majority of people are decent. After basic needs are met, people would like to have time with loved ones, friends or on their own doing things they enjoy. People have hopes and dreams. Most people are peaceful. They don’t get a majority platform anywhere.
Hundreds of people go looking at taps at B&Q on a weekend, they don’t get in the media. Thousands are taking their kids to hobbies, or hobbies of their own. They aren’t in the press either.
Hundreds of thousands are working in hospitals, in emergency services, in care homes, charities etc, right now. Are they in the media for their influence?
Decent people form the majority. There have always been idiots.

I am, yes. But I'm not going to delve into an argument or debate I'm afraid - I was part of Momentum at the time, and a Trade Union Rep. It's not a discussion I should have on MN, so I'm dropping out before it begins.

All that I can say is that many, many working class people desperately wanted Corbyn and for damn good reason. Older people, younger people. He was absolutely demonised in the press and I find it awful. Just the same as they treated Dennis Skinner when they finally ousted him from his seat.

There I go. I'm not coming back to debate, and will unfollow the thread now. I can't be doing with it unfortunately - I'd rather keep my MN time light.

That’s quite right, except if immigrants aren’t net contributors, then it’s no good. If we’re subsidising them with benefits and universal credit, then we’re still screwed, only worse now, as more people need support throughput their life span and to look after their children.

We need to reduce the size of the welfare state. We need to make work pay. Unless you have a really severe disability, then you need to be working and not relying on the state. No more subsidies, and particularly not for anyone who hasn’t put into our system.
People should be welcome here from abroad, I don’t care what religion or culture they are, providing they can afford to look after themselves and pay tax.

As for who should do all the jobs Brits don’t want to do….well we have millions out of work. Don’t give people a choice. Work or don’t work, but don’t expect subsidising if you’re not going to pull your weight.

Thankfully your post hasn't yet been deleted because you make some fair points which if everyone was honest with themselves are major issues we are facing as a country.

“This week marks a watershed moment in a decade of discussion of “grooming gangs”: a much-anticipated Home Office report has concluded that there is no credible evidence that any one ethnic group is over-represented in cases of child sexual exploitation.
For many in Britain today the term “grooming gang” immediately suggests Pakistani-heritage Muslim men abusing white girls, but the Home Office researchers now tell us that “research has found that group-based offenders are most commonly White”.

There are approx 1.9 billion Muslims in the world and you are blaming all of them for the actions of a minority = clear racism.

It's a complex issue. Pretty much all countries rely on some level of immigration and the globalisation of the world means it's a fair of life. But the levels of immigration in the UK means that many of the people working here can no longer afford to live here. Do you think that is going to be sustainable long term?

We need to reduce the size of the welfare state. We need to make work pay. Unless you have a really severe disability, then you need to be working and not relying on the state. No more subsidies, and particularly not for anyone who hasn’t put into our system.

You need to reduce the number of pensioners then. And pensioners who rely on pension credit are they in your “relying on the state” bracket?

Very few people have put enough into the system in purely economical terms, that’s the problem? It’s not an issue when you have 5 workers to 1 pensioner as per the 60s, we are now at 3:1 & not far off 2:1 - we already have more over 65s than u15s.

But the levels of immigration in the UK means that many of the people working here can no longer afford to live here. Do you think that is going to be sustainable long term?

We made ever increasing house prices the main driver of the economy. Didn’t invest in anything particularly young people & young families & have had yrs of wage stagnation. But lots of people voted for this as they believed the narrative that Tracey had 6 dc for the benefits, now everything is the fault of the immigrants. What would the NHS be like without immigrants or the social care sector?

But still, uncontrolled immigration is not helping, when too many immigrants are joining the Welfare bill. When they end up out of work, when they have to have all of the child tax credits etc, It’s adding to the problem.

Why can’t we have immigrants who are told, you’re welcome, but whichever way you arrive here, there’s no help with housing, children, NHS ….nothing. Anything you want you have to be able to pay for.

because our population continues to grow through immigration, making it impossible to ever build enough affordable houses.

the population has also grown because people are living longer…

But these are our home grown problem. We have to deal with them. They were born here and live here.

We don’t have to support the rest of the world as well.

But still, uncontrolled immigration is not helping, when too many immigrants are joining the Welfare bill. When they end up out of work, when they have to have all of the child tax credits etc, It’s adding to the problem.

What are the numbers of uncontrolled vs controlled? How many immigrants are on benefits?

But these are our home grown problem. We have to deal with them. They were born here and live here.

Were they? Plenty of older people now weren’t born here!