Absolutely shit scared about the future in the UK?

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Name changed - I’m genuinely terrified by the hate, division and atmosphere here right now, online and spilling over on the ‘the real world’. I’m scared by how quickly things are changing, and just how much influence the US/Elon Musk/Reform+supporters are having. I’m scared of what the actual point of it all is - what’s the endgame? And what’s the solution? Why is no one protesting/rising up from the other way? Do people generally agree with all this?

I’m in no way a minority (white, female, 30s), I’m not super left, I have one little boy and I’m so scared for his future. I don’t want to live somewhere so intolerant with this constant atmosphere of distrust and something getting ready to blow.

What’s the general consensus? Is this what the people of the U.K. want?

I think a lot of the far right stuff is a knee jerk reaction to the complacency of the left.

Like, look at the Rotherham sex scandal and how quiet the left were. Same with the 1200 sexual assaults on that one NYE in Germany. Even the authorities played it down and the media weren't originally allowed to mention the ethnicity of the attackers.

There are loads of examples like this that aren't widely known, such as the 40 sexual assaults at the We Are Stkhlm music festival, which were perpetrated by a large group of asylum seekers against victims as young as 14yo. Again, the police stated that the event 'went largely with incident' despite the sexual assaults having been reported at the time, and they only started to admit the truth once stories started coming out on social media and questions started being asked.

And if you look at the statistics, there has been an increase in sex crimes which rises with the number of refugees accepted in every European country for which we have the data. A few examples off the top of my head are asylum seekers being responsible for 20% of serious sex crimes including rape in France despite being 1-2% of the population. In another European country (I forget which) recent immigrants were responsible for 50% of gang rapes over a five year period. For anybody interested the figures were from Hirsi Ali's book Prey - I'd post more but my friend has my copy.

There are loads more stats like this yet lefties will often defend these types of men to the death for fear of being seen as a xenophobe.

Not that I agree with all the Tommy Robinson types either. Often it's just an excuse to kick off. However, I think a lot of people don't seem to connect the dots between people arriving from misogynistic cultures and then continuing to act in the manner they were raised. And IME the types of people defending these demographics often aren't living in the areas where they're likely to ever come into contact with them.

I don't think it's hard to see why some people get sucked into this vigilante style of thinking. I mean, imagine your 14yo daughter being sexually assaulted by dozens of men and then seeing the police talking about how the event 'went largely without incident' when you know there were another 40 victims.

We don’t have to support the rest of the world as well.

There has to be some critical thinking, no one is arguing we should be supporting the world 🙄. Just think logically about the below numbers

• “The older population in England is getting larger. In the last 40 years, the number of people aged 50 and over has increased by over 6.8 million (a 47% increase), and the number aged 65 and over has increased by over 3.5 million (a 52% increase).”

• The number of people aged 65-79 is predicted to increase by nearly a third (30%) to over 10 million in the next 40 years, while the number of people aged 80 and over – the fastest growing segment of the population – is set to more than double to over 6 million.

• The older population is growing fastest in many rural and coastal areas, where the proportion of older people is already higher. In some rural and coastal local authority areas, one in three people are aged 65 and over compared with one in five across the country.

No government is going to stop immigration no matter what they promise.

A lot. When you consider all of the immigrants who are “entitled” to housing benefit; universal credit; child benefit; etc we are talking millions.
If they are not earning enough to be paying the tax we need without having to take off the state. What is the point in them being here?

One of the main factors in increasing house prices is immigration though, if yhe population was allowed to naturally settle, most working people would be able to afford a decent wualitynof life.

I’m not arguing there isn’t problem with immigrants and culture issues, etc however in pure economic terms immigration is here to stay unless people think we will move away from capitalism?

The point of them being here is to artificially inflate the cost of living beyond anything many people can afford, while simultaneously diciding communities meaning people are more miserable, meaning they need to spend more to aleviate their misery for a second.

One of the main factors in increasing house prices is immigration though, if yhe population was allowed to naturally settle, most working people would be able to afford a decent wualitynof life.

And you think lack of house building, wage stagnation, changing to lending criteria had no impact? What about low interest rates that inflated assets?
What does naturally settle mean or look like?

Well, you’re right. Immigration raises gdp and makes the country LOOK like it’s doing well; whilst the standards of living for all go down. So I agree the government don’t want to stop it, or they’ll look even shitter than they already do. It’s all false. Fake. The benefits of immigration are fake:

A lot. When you consider all of the immigrants who are “entitled” to housing benefit; universal credit; child benefit; etc we are talking millions.
If they are not earning enough to be paying the tax we need without having to take off the state. What is the point in them being here?*

You can still be working & paying tax but getting housing benefit or child benefit

The benefits of immigration are fake:

That may be but again within a capitalist model immigration is here to stay. Why do people think the Tories did nothing?

Correct, but if you’re not a net contributor, you’re costing more than you’re putting in.

Which is why I’ll give my vote to Reform. I have hope they’ll take immigration seriously.

Funny how Musk wasn’t upset when the sentencing remarks and the inquiry report was released under Tory rule.

He is sowing hatred and division for his own purposes.

He was subpoenaed for the Jeffrey Epstein trial but has been curiously silent on the grooming by Epstein and Maxwell.

That won't happen precisely because you worry, watch over and protect your daughter.
The poor girls sucked into the sordid world of those evil men had no one to care where they were, who with or what they were doing.

Those girls felt unloved, so went looking for it, They didn't want vodka, drugs or sex, they wanted to be loved as part of a family.

Your daughter is already loved and has you. That's what will keep her safe.

I think we need look at the wider picture to see why there is so much more perceived racism in some European countries.

Take the Netherlands for example. Of the refugees arriving in the 1990s, only 55% were working fifteen years later. In the early 2000s, the Dutch government then spent upwards of 16 billion euros on integration programs over sixteen years without much tangible improvement to the situation. You can see how this would foster some resentment.

This is not true. Whilst some children came from challenging homes, many came from loving, supportive families. Tens of thousands of girls were groomed. Many families have fought for outcomes for their daughters. Have been shocked this could happen.

I don't think there is a "rise of the far right". Rather what is considered far right by some has changed. Eg the documentary Stacy Dooley did on Luton would be considered far right and would never be made now. But it still isn't.

Elon musk buying Twitter means a lot of speech that would previously have been censored is now allowed to be said. That's generally a good thing imo. people should be free to discuss and debate our society even if their opinions are not the same as mine

Plenty of girls have been sexually assaulted at concerts etc - see my example above. Generally the police will play it down as with the Rotherham case to 'avoid resulting racial tensions'.

I just don't understand it. In more general situations we don't brush male violence under the carpet to avoid hurting men's feelings. I think a big part of the problem is that people struggle with the concept that somebody can be simultaneously oppressed and an oppressor.

You’re basically saying it should be ok to make hate speech to Muslims and treat them differently. You’re basically saying that Muslims do not have a right to safety and security.

Does that remind you of someone who had those views to a group of people?

All of those things have contributed to housing becoming unaffordable. Yes immigration was not the only factor but it was one contributing factor

I just don't understand it. In more general situations we don't brush male violence under the carpet to avoid hurting men's feelings.

That made me laugh. In England and Wales, more than 99% of rapes reported to police do not end in a conviction.

The UK is built on misogyny.

Many of the police officers who were supposed to protect the girls were asking them out.

People should be free to talk about immigration and immigrants in both positive and negative terms depending on their opinion. It should not be deemed "hate speech". Because that has just allowed the problem to fester and lead to us being in the position we are currently in.

Lack of decisive evidence is usually the issue in rape cases (with some shocking exceptions obv).

Where were all the feminists when 1200 women were sexually assaulted in one night? You can bet your nelly they'd have been up in arms if the perpetrators had been white males!

As a person of colour, the summer rioting was really frightening. Didn't go out much in public, only a few miles away from where some nutters tried to burn down a hotel with people in it..
Facebook has a real idiots charter and Twitter is just a sewer. The people that immerse themselves are intellectually vulnerable but thinking for yourself has always been free. It's a case of when or IF they realise that hate is regressive and pisionous, but their state of mind is not ready to learn. Blaming migrants or Muslims for all of societies ills is completely futile, but hate is a profitable algorithm. Watching violence and hate on social media is more profitable than cat videos.

I think there is a big misogyny problem in Islamic culture and people are too afraid to discuss it. It's possible to criticise a religion/culture without having any issue with the otherwise decent followers.