Absolutely shit scared about the future in the UK?

[JDNCh]

Name changed - I’m genuinely terrified by the hate, division and atmosphere here right now, online and spilling over on the ‘the real world’. I’m scared by how quickly things are changing, and just how much influence the US/Elon Musk/Reform+supporters are having. I’m scared of what the actual point of it all is - what’s the endgame? And what’s the solution? Why is no one protesting/rising up from the other way? Do people generally agree with all this?

I’m in no way a minority (white, female, 30s), I’m not super left, I have one little boy and I’m so scared for his future. I don’t want to live somewhere so intolerant with this constant atmosphere of distrust and something getting ready to blow.

What’s the general consensus? Is this what the people of the U.K. want?

What we have now isn't perfect by any means, but it's infinitely better than the absolute shitshow we had for the previous 14 years. The Tories absolutely trashed everything and left the country far worse than they found it. The previous Labour government was a golden age compared to that.

There certainly do. There are an astounding number of Elon bots, fan girls and flying monkeys on the site. What amazes me though, is that Mumsnet does nothing about them even thought posters are expressing views that bordering illegal in terms of racism and commenting on legal proceedings.

I appreciate that Mumsnet needs the engagement for advertising revenue - and the Elon threads are running into the multiples iterations now. However, I would suggest Mumnet and its founders need to consider their own credibility and PR profile. And I don't think being a hotbed of right wing bots and nutjobs are doing much for that credibility. Unless the founders want to be on GB News rather than the BBC.

absolutely loads in my uni days/20s (also used to live in France so lots of joining in on political action all the time!!)

I responded earlier to a similar comment. I don’t think a protest here is effective, because, as the range of responses have shown, what is the main issue? That the economy is shit because of a whole range of factors and people are taking advantage for political/capital gain?

Really appreciate all the responses though, given me a lot to think about.

This really surprises me too - the tone has changed a lot here in the last few weeks.

I find my biggest problem with labour is their being scared to challenge the Right Wing narrative - although of course they'd never have been elected if they seriously had. At the moment they are trying to be 'slightly less evil' than the Tories in the hope that will keep them out next election, but I think that's entirely what will let them in; because Labour are keeping Tory culture war fires burning rather than putting them out.

Rather than being 'tougher on immigration', they should be spelling out the rampant capitalism is the problem, not immigrants. Immigrants aren't buying up house and profiteering off public services.

Rather than being 'tough on benefits', benefits should be fair and treat people like decent human beings. Sanctions do not get people into work and are not only cruel but expensive on the public purse both in terms of appeals and in terms of plunging people in poverty that can lead to homelessness, ill health and crime.

When not allied to a party, 'socialist' policies like nationalisation of services (and TBF, Labour has done some of this) and heavier taxation of those who can afford it are overwhelmingly popular with the public. But attach them to a left wing party and most of the media goes on the attack

I worry that our government, councils, police forces and the CPS are more concerned about protecting gangs of child rapists, than children.

I worry that our Govt want to criminalise so-called 'Islamophobia' in a country that is supposed to value free speech, as no religion should be free from criticism, especially one that is misogynistic and thinks that 'non-believers' and women are 'less than'...

I worry about the new antisemitism here and the impact it is having on Jewish people's safety and security here and on the general cohesiveness of our society.

I worry that anyone who voices these worries is called 'racist' 'far-right' and demonised (even imprisoned), even if protesting about the extremist terrorist who stabbed over 10 people and succeeded in killing 3 very young girls.

I worry that so many of our children find it hard to imagine buying a home or even having children of their own because the cost of living is so high and because our population continues to grow through immigration, making it impossible to ever build enough affordable houses.

I know this post will be deleted, but hey-ho.

There certainly do. There are an astounding number of Elon bots, fan girls and flying monkeys on the site

It's not bots, as comfortable as it might be to believe that. People are starting to feel more comfortable talking about things that would previously have got them called -ist or -phobic, I suspect due to the loosening of censorship on X.

There's also a cost of living crises, a migrant crises, the grooming gangs thing has just blown up... people are pissed off and they are vocalising it more.

Yanbu. There are so many problems atm. Can't even get a GP appointment or buy essentials due to 'stock issues'.

It's always been like this. First World War, Great Depression, Rise of the Nazis, Second World War, Cold War, War on drugs, War on Terror etc etc

I think more people outside your bubble are scared about how much damage Labour are already doing to the country and how open borders/ illegal immigration is destroying social cohesion, putting immense pressure on public services, and increasing risk to women.

Not to mention the dangerous indoctrination coming our kids’ way in the new CRT/ anti-excellence curriculum. Instead of teaching all kids about the stunning achievements of western civilisation and focusing on uniting everyone around the great fortune they have to be living in the UK, it will sow terrible division.

I’m delighted that Musk is highlighting the horrors that prioritising ‘political correctness’ over the lives of young working class girls can bring. And I’m also delighted America is going to be taken back to biological reality on Jan 20th. As we slide backwards!

@WomensRightsRenegade What an utterly nonsensical post. What has Trump done for women's rights?

@JDNCh
That's appalling about your brother and I'm so sorry that's happened to him.
I was a student in the early 70's and had several flatshares. I know now that 2 guys I shared different flats with were gay, but did not feel able to "come out". They both suffered with depression because I and they now realise that they just didn't feel allowed to be themselves They were regarded as "effeminate", and nothing more was said, at least not openly.
Homosexuality was actually illegal until 1967! I clearly remember the terminology used with glee to describe gay men, eg, "poof", "queer", "shirt-lifter", "homo", etc.
And they were ostracised and/or attacked and homophobia was not only accepted, but encouraged.
Now, gay people are, (mostly, I would hope), legally protected against discrimination and can be who they are openly, at least in theory.
I think life for gay people is better now than when I was much younger, although there are always going to be bigots and twats who can't accept anyone who's "different" from the "norm".
And no, I am not making light of what's happened to your brother, far from it - my post makes that clear.
I would just hope that this kind of disgusting, anti-gay predudice is rare, and I do hope I'm not being naive

There certainly do. There are an astounding number of Elon bots, fan girls and flying monkeys on the site

There certainly are. I can't imagine what they think these ultra rich US men will do for the uk. Previously, they were just after our NHS.

It's dim witted to think they give a fuck about us. They don't. They're on the take, and also trying to spread their ideology. Farage, who has made millions out of his political position, given how many nasty types support him, will sell uk down the river as soon as blink, and whilst fake sipping his "working class" beer. Then he'll use his EU passport to fuck off elsewhere.

Ain't that the truth? Farage hasn't shown his face in Clacton even once since he was elected, and has no intention of ever doing so. He just chose to stand in a constituency he knew he could win, and is using the people there to feather his own nest.

Thankfully the right wing vote is split in this country and is likely to remain so unless the Tories and Reform merge or come up with an electoral alliance. If they do that, we're absolutely screwed.

I'm also scared for the future of this country but it's Reform that gives me hope!

Why is that, exactly? Farage wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

Do you genuinely think there are bots posting on mumsnet?

Especially if Elon puts his money into Reform. That's the gamechanger needed.

what has Elon said specifically that you do not agree with?

Oh yes @User135644 , he's just desperate to invest in your future for no good reason. 🙄

I'm more worried about economics. The fact that there will not be enough workers supporting all the people who need to be supported - growing numbers of elderly people living longer but with more complex care needs, increasing numbers of working age people unable to work due to MH etc, increasing social care needs and paying for the NHS. I am approaching my mid fifties ( after working for 40+ years ) and honestly doubt there will be any money left at this rate to pay for pensions or care when I reach old age ! The way this government throw money around I personally think is shocking.

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I wouldn't rise to it. 🙄

Oh I know, I shouldn’t. No idea why my perfectly sensible response was deleted. what I said was accurate.

And Starmer loathes my very being.

Given that Reform is a limited company owned by Farage, where do you think that money will go?

Farage is made for life if Musk forks out.