Absolutely shit scared about the future in the UK?

[JDNCh]

Name changed - I’m genuinely terrified by the hate, division and atmosphere here right now, online and spilling over on the ‘the real world’. I’m scared by how quickly things are changing, and just how much influence the US/Elon Musk/Reform+supporters are having. I’m scared of what the actual point of it all is - what’s the endgame? And what’s the solution? Why is no one protesting/rising up from the other way? Do people generally agree with all this?

I’m in no way a minority (white, female, 30s), I’m not super left, I have one little boy and I’m so scared for his future. I don’t want to live somewhere so intolerant with this constant atmosphere of distrust and something getting ready to blow.

What’s the general consensus? Is this what the people of the U.K. want?

Nice try, it’s the far right that has pulled the wool over your eyes on this. But go on thinking you’re safer with a white British man than a brown foreign man, it just shows you for what you are and I want no part of it.

Reform UK, are gathering party supporters faster than any other political party. They have already overtaken the Conservatives and many young people are joining because they are worried about their futures. Labour are doing damage to our economy. RR is killing growth. Growth is down for 2 periods in a row. Only one more negative growth and we're in an official recession. People will lose their jobs. Organisations are less inclined to hire because of her increase in NI tax for employers. Growth needs to go up because that means more taxes paid and more money for public services. The richest people are leaving the UK because of her policies so less tax paid.

What is going on is you are denying the reality of other events that have also happened but were not found newsworthy because the men were not considered to be foreign.

No, that's a DARVO reversal. I haven't denied the reality of any other sexual assault at all. But there are particular patterns. And some of those patterns have cultural elements. The grooming gangs and these mass sexual assaults such as happened in Germany that year and are relatively common in North Africa are specific phenomena.

Nice try, it’s the far right that has pulled the wool over your eyes on this

No it fucking isn't, but do carry on with your one note rant against them.

Im sure its mighty convenient to dismiss everything you disagree with as "far right" or "having the wool pulled over your eyes by the far right".

There is no point just people saying people are "wrong" for voting reform. The issues that reform are gaining support from need to be addressed, not just dismissed.

Exactly. This is a democracy. If Reform win the next election, or any other party that emerges, they will be the government.

Sorry, but this is just more whataboutery.

I'm not talking about 'proportionate to attendance levels'. When and where did a massive mob of western men (or even men from any non-western first world country like Japan) sexually assault hundreds of women in one night?

I've given you examples of about ten incidents so surely you can give me one.

Your argument basically seems to be "aww, poor ethnic minorities, they always get the blame". But nobody is accusing Jamaican men of engaging in mass scale sexual assaults. The only men that are doing it are the ones who are doing it back home and we have video evidence of them doing it both in the Middle East and in Europe.

What do you think are the contributing factors? If it's 'because they're men' then where are all the videos of European, Japanese, Jamaican men doing it?

I hate to say it but sometimes I think Churchill was right when he said "the best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter".

Judging by this thread, Reform are definitely going to be winning the next election. And there will be a lot of very surprised people on mumsnet - who will be extremely offended when we point out it's their fault... But hey, I'm obviously just one of those far-right 'bots' we've been seeing so much of recently, so I can easily be ignored 🙄

Agree 👍🏻

@JDNCh

you are right

brexit Farage and social media have bred ignorance and hate

Foreign nationals make up 12% of the England & Wales prison population, but account for 18% of the total England & Wales population...
there were around 11.4 million non-UK-born residents of England and Wales

So if true, then foreigners resident in the UK are less criminally minded than our home grown despite the hysteria to the opposite.

Let them.

You can promise the world when you don’t expect to win power. Let the far right win and let Britain stop pretending not the be a racist country.

I just feel sorry for every single non-white Briton when that happens.

This from the person who posted à unverified data about France.

I’d feel sorry for every average person who doesn’t have access to a second passport and isn’t wealthy regardless of their colour.

The far right start with the obvious scapegoats, however, it will lead to poor economic outcomes for all. The government will then have to widen the net of blame.

Average white racists who think a Reform government will mean they will just be able to take over the houses and jobs of recent kicked out immigrants will soon find the value of said house is worthless and the job doesn’t exist as the economic impacts of racist and isolationist policies bites.

You notice how Reform, current Conservatives have nothing to say about how they will improve lives, increase productivity, nothing positive at all? There whole shtick is about bashing others.

The OP started a thread on being worried for the future of the UK citing the obsession of immigrants over everything else doesn’t make the UK sound like it will have a positive future. The quick decent into a debate about Muslims proves her point.

I recently spent time in Australia. They have their issues like anywhere else, but it more positive and optimistic overall.

This constant focus on blaming people in the UK makes it sound the opposite. Like a dying country where people point fingers as it declines. It’s pitiful to see.

Labour have to control the narrative in regard to where they want to the country to be in the next decade. A positive story where we can all contribute and share in eventual increased wealth. Ignore the media who appear to want this country to fail, do bold, transformational things. We have nothing to lose at this point.

By this, do you mean the far right will take advantage of it?

All Elon Musk is doing here is poking a stick into UK politics and swishing it around a bit. He doesn't care specifically about the sticks he uses, but as long as the sticks have sufficient weight to get people to notice their presence that's all he cares about. He's done the same thing in other countries. It feels personal, but it isn't. It's just weird.

From today's paper.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/05/foreign-national-crime-league-table-sexual-offence-migrants/

Foreigners were 3.5 times as likely to be arrested for sex offences as British suspects, based on a rate of nearly 165 arrests per 100,000 of the migrant population against 48 per 100,000 for Britons.

For all crimes, foreign nationals were arrested at twice the rate of British natives, accounting for 131,000 of the arrests from January to October 2024.

While foreigners make up nine per cent of the population, they accounted for 16.1 per cent of the total number of arrests according to the figures, released under freedom of information (FOI) laws.

The crime league table places Albanians as the nationality most likely to be arrested, followed by Afghans, Iraqis, Algerians and Somalians. There were 48 nationalities with a higher arrest rate per 1,000 of their populations than British suspects.

The OP is just trying to influence the weak of mind to their way of thinking. They are not scared, they want you to be.
Reform are not strong enough to win, and the quality of their politicians is not high enough either. Farage is very eloquent, the rest mostly a shower of shite. However if they become the third, or even second party, great.
Lab/Con will not have an honest debate over immigration. Reform may be able to influence that. The last lot let in tens of thousands of IT workers, suppressing salaries in that sector. Prior to Brexit the builders and trades from Eastern Europe. The beneficiaries of all the cheap Labour are corporations that make the profits while the taxpayers pick up the tab for the true cost of the cheap labour.
I hope Reform do well, as it’s the Conservatives and Labour that have got us into this position. The whole of Europe is swinging to right of center.

I don't think it's for you to say that OP and others aren't scared. You can't say how others feel. I am scared. In the summer, my Muslim friends and colleagues were harassed in the street. A Muslim woman I knew was spat at as she went shopping with her kids. My Hindu husband was screamed at and called a "Fucking Paki". I was nervous every time he went out, and still am to an extent.
But no, I'm not scared. I'm apparently trying to influence the weak of mind.

Erm - no, I am scared. And this sort of conspiracy-minded language isn’t helping me feel any better about the state of things!

I’m trying to work on being more kind to others in my community, my family and friends.

If we ALL did this, then that would be a help.

I truly believe that the majority of people don’t want this sh*t show of politics and the divisive nature of the press. It’s just the media are intent on broadcasting twisted stories. It’s sort of gaslighting…

Good news doesn’t sell papers…. Only bad news.

Getting back to the op. We live in a country where free speech is a right but never before have so many people been able to broadcast their views. But like the coming of the computer which was going to make all of us redundant, things will level out.
Recession is a possibility, but I've lived through the 70s where the UK was basically bankrupt, the early 80s where our heavy industry disappeared, the 90s when housing values dived , the naughties when the banking system almost collapsed. We came through. If you look at the stock markets, who really know what is going on re the economy, they are ok.
We live in the safest time in the UK history, crime in low in relative terms, the biggest risk is financial fraud.
Whilst there is a decline on the ability to debate and see others views and the media is fixated on drama and apocalypse (like the snow this weekend which if you believe the BBC millions were going to freeze to death in their beds). I see people volunteering for charities, food banks providing help, people having access to information and learning on levels never before available....I can learn how to plumb in a washing machine, build a car from scratch, how to bleach whites, how to invest all from YouTube.

Not really, its not a person's colour/other physical attributes but their culture and values or lack thereof. Something you don't seem to grasp.

That’s a really level headed response.