Absolutely shit scared about the future in the UK?

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Name changed - I’m genuinely terrified by the hate, division and atmosphere here right now, online and spilling over on the ‘the real world’. I’m scared by how quickly things are changing, and just how much influence the US/Elon Musk/Reform+supporters are having. I’m scared of what the actual point of it all is - what’s the endgame? And what’s the solution? Why is no one protesting/rising up from the other way? Do people generally agree with all this?

I’m in no way a minority (white, female, 30s), I’m not super left, I have one little boy and I’m so scared for his future. I don’t want to live somewhere so intolerant with this constant atmosphere of distrust and something getting ready to blow.

What’s the general consensus? Is this what the people of the U.K. want?

@SidhuVicious
These mob sexual assaults that have been happening for decades in places like Egypt are a relatively new thing in Europe

They’ve been happening for decades in Europe too, especially at music festivals. It’s just not news that plays to the racism and xenophobia to report on it.

@mollyfolk - No, we should do criminal background checks on Americans who want to live here. We can't do background checks on 'irregular migrants' if they throw away their passports can we? Why is our government allowing this, when it's clearly inviting criminality.

And yes, whoever mentioned it; of course we have problems with rape in the West, but we cannot deport our own British-born citizens. We can, and should, punish homegrown rapists. But if we are importing rapists, we should be able to deport them (before or after prison) and we should also not put their 'rights' (aka violence and intimidating actions against girls, families, councils, police etc), above the rights of our children.

OP,
I am not terrified, but similarly very concerned. The R(acist)E(nglander)form party is a fucking disgrace. I am appalled at the numbers of people voting for them. Conservatives and Labour are not much better and are falling over themselves pandering to the REform voters.

I've mentioned on other threads (so people don't think I'm making it up) that I work for a Birmingham based Sikh run business that only employs four white people (two of them being non-British) alongside a couple of Muslim lads, a British Jamaican, and obviously dozens of Sikhs. We work in the construction sector so there is huge ethnic diversity, mainly black, Indian, and Pakistani men alongside white British.

It's a much more diverse environment than when I worked in a graduate office job (where I only really encountered Sikhs in any large numbers). I'm well aware that there are many hard working Muslims. However, I also see a lot of the issues that people who live in majority white villages/posh areas and work in office jobs likely don't see in their day to day lives. For example, in my previous company we had to stop sending white drivers to do night collections in Alum Rock because it was becoming too risky. They were literally being told "you're not welcome here" by groups of intimidating young men.

@Charley50
We can't do background checks on 'irregular migrants' if they throw away their passports can we?

Yes we can and we do. That’s why an asylum claim takes 12-18mos to process. Because it involves a full identity and criminal background check. It’s why 20% of applicants fail and get deported.

But if we are importing rapists, we should be able to deport them (before or after prison)

We already fucking do this. Oh and by the fucking way, immigrants offend at a lower rate than British born.

So sick of people like you falling for the racist bullshit of the likes of Nigel Farage.

And who are the perpetrators? Can you describe them? I can find lots of articles that can.

We already fucking do this. Oh and by the fucking way, immigrants offend at a lower rate than British born.
So sick of people like you falling for the racist bullshit of the likes of Nigel Farage.

There have been some stats relating to sexaul assaults in various European countries posted by me and another poster, which I'm afraid contradict what you're saying, at least in terms of sexual offenses.

"Immigrants" covers a huge variety of people, in the UK for various reasons. Could be everything from skilled professionals to Albanian gangsters really.

You are extraordinarily privileged living in the UK. It is one of the most open, balanced and safest countries in the world. There are vast numbers of people in the world who will get killed for thinking the wrong thing, so their sexuality, for their beliefs..

Theres vast numbers of people in the world with no access to clean water. If you ever want to know how privileged you are to live in such a safe country walk into your kitchen and turn on the tap. Tge best thing you can do is educated yourself, ensure your child is brought up to think critically. Do not tie your happiness to belonging. Be happy to not need the approval of others, be happy to go against the grain.

Where you see injustices stand up to them.

Absolutely not cannot bear any of them.

Well yeah, the ones that make the news in recent times are the ones that are “foreign”. That’s my point. But these sexual assaults, which did not make the news, in decades past were done by the majority demographic.

I think people who don’t live in these areas just don’t get it. We moved away from Birmingham having lived in the same house for 20 odd years, the area changed beyond recognition, the local culture changed. We had mass immigration from Hong Kong and mass movement of 2nd generation immigrants into the area simultaneously with very little integration between communities. The exclusion in school as classes comprised of groups not willing to integrate created a toxic environment that my son hated - shops and large parts of supermarkets were
replaced with ethnic shops and foods. My son is so much happier now in a more integrated school and community.

Your “stats” from “various European countries” don’t contradict my comment on what the U.K. Home Office does or the crime stats in this country.

Unfortunately this be grateful woman it could be worse for you line doesn’t work on me because I have lived abroad for many years and it’s really getting to a tipping point for me that I am thinking of emigrating (again). There may be plenty of places that are worse, but the list of places that are better are getting longer by the month. It is depressing how widespread racialised xenophobic nationalism has become and how quickly the country is sliding into jingoism.

“For liberals who still cling to the argument that Britain is an integration success story, this appalling incident is the final nail in the coffin. The scandal began at the start of mass immigration. Hundreds of thousands of people with medieval attitudes toward women were brought in from an alien culture to bring us here.”
-Robert Jenrick, Tory MP yesterday

https://investobrain.com/badenock-defends-jenricks-comments-about-people-from-alien-cultures-conservatives/

Well, I guess if you think that there are better places and you have the ability to move there it’s probably the right thing to move somewhere that will make you happy, why continue to live somewhere that makes you unhappy?

I moved within the UK largely to escape a failure of multiculturalism and I’m so much happier now. But I think the UK is probably the only place I would live (maybe Scandinavia esp Norway)

Um, it's not a privilege. It's the result of the work and toil and suffering of all my ancestors who lives and contributed to this country and wider Europe. Utterly absurd when people say we're 'lucky' to live the the UK. Er, no, we ate the descendents of the people who made this place what it is, and we have every right to preserve our laws and culture.

Your “stats” from “various European countries” don’t contradict my comment on what the U.K. Home Office does or the crime stats in this country.

The UK doesn't have readily available stats on sexual offenses by nationality that I can find in a brief search, so I've had to rely on data from other European countries to show a pattern.

So you're saying that there were events where hundreds of European women were sexually assaulted in a single night but they didn't make the news?

It is a result of all those things of fighting against the things we are now granting asylum to people to escape.

But we are privileged in comparison to other countries. I’m lucky to be born in a country where history has stacked up so these things exist in the UK.

i do wonder when we are granting asylum for many things whether we are adding to the long term issues that mean similar changes will never occur in the countries they are fleeing. If everyone who was gay for example had left the UK because they would be imprisoned would we now have a society with gay marriage. I doubt it, it’s only because people fought for equality.

@mollyfolk - No, we should do criminal background checks on Americans who want to live here. We can't do background checks on 'irregular migrants' if they throw away their passports can we? Why is our government allowing this, when it's clearly inviting criminality.

Does the UK do background checks on Americans who arrive there?

I'm not from the UK, I'm from Ireland.

In Ireland everyone who claims asylum is fingerprinted to compare to an Eu database. We don't have a large issue with illegal immigration because the "black economy " is small / there is a lack of opportunity to fly under the radar here.

Perhaps you could campaign to reduce the illegal economy in the UK? Would this help?

I just think we should act on facts rather than demonise a religion. There are so many people in Britain who are both British and Muslim.

Yes, I am incredibly privileged to possess more than one passport. I was happy to return to the U.K. and have been happy here. Unfortunately, Brexit was the start of a decline in this country’s values and quality of life.

Does the UK do background checks on Americans who arrive there?

Yes we do. We even do on the US visiting forces that come here.

Yes. Because I was there at some of them and most of my generation of women lived similar incidents too. It just wasn’t news then.

It’s the basic, well studied principle of white women victims of non-white criminals are news while non-white women victims are not news, while white criminals are not news while non-white criminals are always news.

The media is institutionally racist.

Yes we do. Look at the prison data, it shows how many are foreign born sexual offenders vs British born sexual offenders.

@Feelingathomenow
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. The exclusion in school as classes comprised of groups not willing to integrate created a toxic environment that my son hated - shops and large parts of supermarkets were
replaced with ethnic shops and foods*

It must have been terrible for you to deal with ethnic food in shops. Horrible for you to see. Nothing more offensive than sushi isn't there?

Please explain more about the schools?
Thank god you moved your children to a whiter school where they don't have to deal with this multiculturalism.

@SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice
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Yes we do. Look at the prison data, it shows how many are foreign born sexual offenders vs British born sexual offenders*

Show us the data please.